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Personally I like something that makes you work "harder" for the reward. Call it more involvement. The older I get, the more I like older cars. Cars are getting too easy to drive.
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01-01-2011, 09:35 PM | #26 |
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Well for a guy who lived in Germany from 2004 to 2009 I'd argue that point (and win). The N54 is a dog of a motor (comparatively) at high rpms and high speeds. I drove a 135i for 4,000 miles (100% in Germany) so I know quite a bit about that motor. And the 135i is quicker than the 335i. Neither is great at high speeds. The E46 M3 does quite well at high speeds. How much time have you spent north of 150 mph in any of these cars?
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01-02-2011, 02:27 AM | #27 |
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I have yet to come across one stock 335 that can match my stock e46 m3. I definitely think the 335 in stock form is given too much credit compare to an m3. I honestly would love to come across an e9x m3 becuase I am very curious as to just how much faster it really is.
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For the guys who are curious about the difference in straight line speed between e9XM3 and E46 M3 - here is a roll on from 50kph to 250kph between a stock E92 M3 and an E46 M3 CSL which is 110kg (240 Lb ) lighter than a regular E46 M3 and has 360 bhp as standard.
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01-02-2011, 12:24 PM | #32 |
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What rear diff ratio is in the CSL?
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CSL should be compared to GTS IMO, but even then it's apples to oranges. I'd also love to see a ZCP DCT M3 run the ring now, I'm sure the time would be noticeably quicker.
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/b...s_m_sport.html http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/b...mw_m3_e92.html http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/b...mw_m3_e92.html http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/b...mw_m3_gts.html
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Same as a regluar M3 3.62:1.
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I dont think a ZCP M3 will be noticeably faster around the ring than a regular M3 - the M3 GTS with all of its modifications (and price) is only 2 seconds faster around the ring than the old CSL.
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01-02-2011, 04:26 PM | #35 | |
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However, if the CSL was equipped with pilot sport cup+, the + being the key, they offer similar dry grip as PS2s as noted by C&D track times. The difference being the sport cup+ was more consistent and held up to heat better. edit: guess I didn't read the last post before posting. |
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That explains a lot of the difference in acceleration. BMW smartly made some changes to the E92 M3 to ensure it reached the next level of performance. One being gearing. The E46 M3/Z4 M were geared too tall from the factory. But I don't complain when I'm putting gas in mine...lol. The car really should have come with the 3.91. It's the perfect compromise between performance and economy. What hampers the E46 M3 (non CSL) more than anything is its brakes. Easily rectified though.
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Says you. It's in the books. That's all that counts. Those tires aren't going to make as much difference as you think. They aren't racing slicks designed for one heat cycle. Give it a rest.
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Don't get me wrong. I like the e46 M3 better than the e9x series. But it's because of the total driving experience and not the performance.
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I'd still take a E30 M3 over them all. With each subsequent 3er, they get bigger and heavier and less fun to drive (although I still prefer the E46 M3 to the E36 M3). I guess you'd argue the US version E36 M3 is just as good as the Euro version too?
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Here's the youtube of my old E46 M3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xf8gxlCaCU I didn't want to really get involved with the E46 vs. E92 M3...but the E46 did do somethings better than the E92. I think the steering was better, especially at low speeds but the V8 in the E92 M3 is really a jem. The lighter E46 M3 did seem more tossble than the E92 M3 and it seemed to push less as well. Than again I remember the car with the Eibach Prokit springs and sways along with the larger RAC Monolite RG4s along with the wider rubber, I'm sure that had alot to do with it. Dave
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A SS race with headers must of been god awfully loud. The drone on the SS race alone was already too much for me. If I ever got headers, I was planning on switching to something more quiet.
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Want to see something sweet... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsc...#ht_534wt_1167 Check out the engine bay. Screw current modern technology!
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The S54 loses 3 less lb-ft of torque than the S65 in the last 1,000 rpms. Perhaps your butt dyno needs calibrating?
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the csl had a passenger!!!!
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