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If I lived and spent most of my time in the city I would say to buy the 1M and if I did most of my driving on highways and freeways then I'd get the M3 |
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12-09-2010, 03:05 AM | #25 |
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M3 is more classy, while 1M looks like boy racer....so I don't care if 1M brings better performance
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I think everyone is jumping the gun with the 1M track performance. Having sufferred through heat issues on the track with N54 engine (even after oil cooler upgrade, intercooler upgrade, straight distilled water, fog lamp removal), wait and see if the M division addressed this issue. The V8 handled 95F+ ambient temps just fine over a very long track day, it is a work of art.
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12-09-2010, 08:28 AM | #28 |
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Speaking of following directions - your original post was in the wrong forum.
I knew what you were asking, I was just having a little fun instead of posting a snarky comment (like you did above) about your mistake . Plus I found the topic title ironic because we have no idea what the performance of the 1M really is yet. |
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12-09-2010, 10:53 AM | #29 |
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Sorry, if I touched a nerve. Just trying to keep things on track here... which actually IS ironic as the conversation has gravitated from performance to the 1M's position in the market, particularly amongst BMW enthusiasts with M-leanings.
Someone commented earlier that they perceived the 1M as a "boy-racer." That comment is not insignificant. Perception is reality especially with this new 1M even without a test-drive. Side-by-side speed numbers also don't hold a ton of water as both cars infinitely tune-able. But we do know, the big differences, engine architecture, styling, weight. When the 1-series first came out, it first struck me as a very cute chick coupe/cabrio. The kinda car wealthy guys would buy for their daughters for college. BMW has been able to successfully position it to the contrary as a lightweight performance car. The new super-ballsy 1M seals the deal on making that clear to the market. I'm certainly sold. However, that then begs the question, who will want this car in his/her garage? Some folks have commented that it seems like a fun 2nd car. Some are ready to turn in their M3 one-for-one. Others would rather get into the next M5. So, yes, I do agree that we don't have all the details, but we do know enough to know if we're attracted to it.
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seeing how many of these threads have already popped up MONTHS before anyone knows anything about real-live performance of the 1M, i cant imagine what it will be next spring when the first magazines get their hands on one of these...
having said that, the 1M might be a good alternative for a 25 y-o guy who cant afford an M3 but doesnt want a STI / EVO like the rest of his classmates, or as a track toy for those who can afford it, providing it lives up to everyone's expectations for being the new E30 M3... or for a guy like me who doesnt fit anywhere in the above but just looking for a fun car |
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Nope - all in good fun. The smilies are the clue there.
My opinion on the situation is that the 1M is irrelevant right now since it does not have a naturally aspirated high revving motor and also does not offer M-DCT. I suspect that 50% of the folks on the forum that also have DCT will agree. And probably at least half on the remaining ones will agree because of the engine point. Once the next generation cars come, things will be more level on both of those fronts - F2x 1M gains DCT, F3x M3 loses NA motor. Then the comparison will be much more relevant. But even then, it won't be much different than comparing an E90 M3 to an E60 M5 for example. That is to say, then really do cover two totally seperate markets. |
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Excellent points. The differentiation should be significant enough to avert cannibalization.
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There are a few things that bother me about the 1M.
My last few BMW's: many before.....'08 135i, '11 M3 1) I got rid of my 135i because I just couldn't get used to the headlights. They are tooo big, tooo tall, tooo something. They just never grew on me. Call it trivial. Eyebrows didn't help on the 1M either. You have to love looking at your car as much as driving it. 2) I can't believe they left out the M seats. Weight, cost, whatever reason. The M seats are far better then the sport seats (which are identical in the 135i) 3) The engine. The N54 is a great motor, and turbo engines are the future (according to BMW). For the sake of the brand finally fix the HPFP problem. Note: Anyone complaining about the lack of torque on the S65 must have never owned a M car before. Rev it baby!! 4) DCT - BMW didn't leave out DCT because of the "It will outperform the M3" nonsense, but because of the price point and weight. Add $2900 to the price and another 200lbs - the 1M would really be porky. Just my 2 cents - don't flame me. I still think the 1M will be a hit, and the next gen may be the next best thing.
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