Any love for MCS?

[bigjae1976]

Do the singles adjust only rebound or does it adjust both rebound and compression?

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

Do the singles adjust only rebound or does it adjust both rebound and compression?

Just rebound

[PrimeBMW]

Reading the MCS website it looks like you can easily upgrade singles to doubles and or remote reservoir.

[Yaw]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

Do the singles adjust only rebound or does it adjust both rebound and compression?

The adjuster is for rebound but the compression changes as well.

*Edit* Sorry, replied as the thread's resident Ohlins flag waver. ^^This related to Ohlins R&T.

[Richbot]

Originally Posted by Yaw

The adjuster is for rebound but the compression changes as well.

This is true for some singles but not all. For instance Some Japanese coil overs and shocks used to/still do this (Tein, Tokico for instance) and marketed it as a feature of the damper. You can see this on the dynos.

So show your work. Please post a link to the dyno chart showing the MCS singles' rebound adjustment significantly impacts the compression damping

[PrimeBMW]

I know that we dyno'ed the MCS triples and everyone seemed to be very impressed. I will see if the singles were ever dyno'ed.........

[PrimeBMW]

The singles (for Miata) were dyno'ed. Compression is changed but only by a small amount. I have not looked at the dyno chart but will try to get a hold of it and post it up.

[dbyrd]

I had my mind set on the singles until I spoke with Lex Carson with MCS. He suggested that I consider the doubles and indicated that they are not too complicated to set up.

Remember, that this is my daily driver (50 miles per day) and I've only done 20-25 track days - solo'd at COTA and several other local tracks. I'm not in the same driving league as most of you guys, but I plan to head in that direction with this suspension for the next couple of years. Obviously, I need the adjustability to stiffen up the suspension for the track and soften for daily driving - grocery getter with the kids in back.

I'm more concerned with finding the right balance of spring rates, particularly the rear. My local shop recommends 450/900 for their "softer" street/track set-up, but I see a lot of folks running softer rear spring rates.

Thanks for all the feedback - this is more than I expected

[dbyrd]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

WTF does track ready mean? That means nothing. What's suitable for a track only car? Depends. I like my TC Kline x2s on my E46...I'm going to keep running my TC Kline coilovers which are track ready in my opinion. I have no races to win and they make me happy.

Your main consideration is you'd like to run R-Comps or stickier tires in the future. Probably won't run full aero or need to win a race. I'd go with a coilover that has a well established acceptably performing spring rate for performance and comfort.

What you probably do NOT want is to have to fiddle around with spring rates. Quite frankly, the difference in the HPDE world between Ohlins R&T and MCS is all in the driver. You can debate which one is more track oriented until this thread is 1,000,000 pages long. You want to put the coilovers on and then drive with a smile on your face.

I ended up with the TC Kline's on my E46 because of the whole "the best spring rate depends on..." with every other coilover I asked other vendors about. Didn't want to waste my time and money trying to figure it all out. TC Kline did that work for me. I got my TC Kline's made one rebound adjustment. Haven't touched it 2.5 years later, still catch people in the corners. That makes it a great coilover. Nowadays there is more and more data for the MCS and JRZs. Just a thought.

First of all, settle down or I'll take those rotors back!

I agree with the exception that this is my DD. So what are you recommending - go with TC Kline or Ohlins with their recommended spring rates and make it a day?

Hope to see you soon, man.

-Daniel

[Samo6556]

I run the MCS doubles with remote reservoir on my E46 M3. I love them and suspension is my favorite mods for a car. In my opinion the KW, TCkline, Ground control, etc isn't on the same level.

Actually having all the adjustability with shock pressure, rebound, compression, allows you to compensate for different conditions/tracks without having to change spring rates. Obviously there is exceptions but for the average person you will not have to fiddle with spring rate changes.

I had the moton club sports before and put over 25k DD miles on them. Then switched the MCS and have about 10k on them. No issues and the ride is not harsh as people expect.

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by dbyrd

First of all, settle down or I'll take those rotors back!

I agree with the exception that this is my DD. So what are you recommending - go with TC Kline or Ohlins with their recommended spring rates and make it a day?

Hope to see you soon, man.

-Daniel

Those would be good options. I do believe TC Kline will rebuild your dampers if needed under warranty...not sure how long that warranty is.

Not sure what the maintenance requirement are for MCS and Ohlins. Some higher end stuff will need a more frequent rebuild.

Hope to be back in TX soon. At a minimum I'll make it back for COTA with BMWCCA.

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by Samo6556

I run the MCS doubles with remote reservoir on my E46 M3. I love them and suspension is my favorite mods for a car. In my opinion the KW, TCkline, Ground control, etc isn't on the same level.

Actually having all the adjustability with shock pressure, rebound, compression, allows you to compensate for different conditions/tracks without having to change spring rates. Obviously there is exceptions but for the average person you will not have to fiddle with spring rate changes.

I had the moton club sports before and put over 25k DD miles on them. Then switched the MCS and have about 10k on them. No issues and the ride is not harsh as people expect.

The only downer on the remote reservoir dampers is you they will usually bump you up in a class if you race or do TT. Of course, not an issue for a DD.

I'd really like to see a set of x2 adj dampers, no remote reservoir with a true coilover rear.

[dbyrd]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

I have mcs singles on my e46 and think they are great, my spring rates won't help you as wrong car. It was my understanding at time of purchase that the mcs is more geared towards a stiffer spring track set up and have great customer service as well.

Would you mind sharing your rebound setup (clicks from full soft) for front and rear and any advice re: dialing these in? I know we have a different car. I'm just looking for a place to start.
Thanks.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by dbyrd

Would you mind sharing your rebound setup (clicks from full soft) for front and rear and any advice re: dialing these in? I know we have a different car. I'm just looking for a place to start.
Thanks.

Pm sent.

[admranger]

I have the early RRT Ohlins on my E46M3 and they run well.

I've never had the pleasure of running the MCS, but I've seen some racers who have them and their cars are able to do some purely magical things.

If I were to buy new shocks today, I'd be getting the MCS' to give them a go, but I lean towards more of a motorsport ride than a street ride.

I don't think you can go wrong either way.

This is a great first world problem to have.