BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General BMW News and Cars Discussion
 
EXXEL Distributions
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      02-03-2009, 09:00 PM   #111
DG.
New Member
No_Country
6
Rep
18
Posts

Drives: E46 CSL
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Br

iTrader: (0)

At the beginning i used to HATE Bangle, but now i've been liking his job. However i think BMW needs more agressives designs, i can see too much conservative lines yet.

Happy with the new
Appreciate 0
      02-03-2009, 09:01 PM   #112
HermesRider
Captain
United_States
56
Rep
974
Posts

Drives: 2007 e92 335i
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Portland, OR

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by GregA View Post
Exterior designers of recent BMW models ... THE MOST COMPLETE LIST UP TO DATE!!!!:


* Henrik Fisker: Z07 Concept, E52 Z8
* Klaus Kapitza: E31 8 series
* Boyke Boyer: E38 7 series
* Joji Nagashima: E90/E91 3 series, E36 3 series, E36/7 Z3, E39 5 series
* Adrian van Hooydonk: E63/E64 6 series, E65/E66 7 series, Z9 GT Concept, Z9 Convertible Concept, MINI ACV30 Concept
* Geoff Velasco: E83 X3
* Anders Warming: E85 Z4 roadster, GINA Light Concept, Mille Miglia 2006 Coupe Concept
* Chris Chapman: E87/E81 1 series hatchback, E53 X5, X-coupe Concept, CS1 Concept
* Erik Goplen: E46 3 series
* Davide Arcangeli: E60/E61 5 series
* Tomasz Sycha: E86 Z4 Coupe
* Marc Michael Markefka: E92/E93 3-series coupe & cabrio, E82/E88 1-series coupe & cabrio
* Pierre Leclercq: E70 X5, X71/E72 X6
* Karim Antoine Habib: CS Concept, F01/F02 7-series
* Benoit Jacob: M1 Hommage Concept
* Juliane Blasi: E89 Z4 roadster
* Jacek Froehlich: F10 / F11 5-series
* Richard Kim: E89 X1


* Marek Djordjevic: RR Phantom family (Phantom, Drophead Copue, Coupe), 100EX, 101EX

* Frank Stephenson: R50-R53 MINI Mk1
* Marcus Syring: R55-R58 MINI Mk2


Mind that interiors, M-kits, M-specific exterior, rims / wheels, interior details like steering wheel, iDrive knob etc are designed by other people!!!

And as you can see NONE of the BMW model's exterior hasn't been penned by Chris Bangle!!! EVER! He was just a chief / a manager. Not an actuall designer. And all the production designs has been selected & chosen by the BMW AG Board of Directors, and not by Bangle himself.
Thank you!! That was very informative. Nice to see credit given to the design TEAM.
Appreciate 0
      02-03-2009, 09:09 PM   #113
JHFW89225
Major
JHFW89225's Avatar
174
Rep
1,251
Posts

Drives: E92 M3
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: HK/Vancouver

iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2009 BMW M3  [0.00]
2008 335i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin Hood View Post
I always thought Van Hooydonck did.
i think its a japanese guy
Appreciate 0
      02-03-2009, 09:11 PM   #114
Sedan_Clan
Law Enforcer
Sedan_Clan's Avatar
Brazil
24829
Rep
22,229
Posts

Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: ..in your rearview!!!

iTrader: (26)

Quote:
Originally Posted by HermesRider View Post
Thank you!! That was very informative. Nice to see credit given to the design TEAM.
Agreed! Nice list!
Appreciate 0
      02-03-2009, 10:16 PM   #115
epbrown
Colonel
epbrown's Avatar
United_States
60
Rep
2,128
Posts

Drives: BMW M Coupe, Porsche Boxster S
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Chicago, IL

iTrader: (0)

Nevermind...
Appreciate 0
      02-04-2009, 01:39 AM   #116
nlakind
Brigadier General
nlakind's Avatar
United_States
390
Rep
3,305
Posts

Drives: F80 M3 | E30 M3 || '51 Ford F1
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Los Angeles

iTrader: (24)

i think this will be a very positive change for bmw. i look forward to seeing what i'll be buying in the years to come! haha
Appreciate 0
      02-04-2009, 02:01 AM   #117
spyderco10
Colonel
spyderco10's Avatar
United_States
63
Rep
2,427
Posts

Drives: AW E92 M3 6MT
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Honolulu, HI

iTrader: (0)

Good, now maybe BMW will start designing cars that look good as well as they perform.
__________________
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”
- John 3:16
Appreciate 0
      02-04-2009, 04:07 AM   #118
EnI
Secret Agent
EnI's Avatar
97
Rep
496
Posts

Drives: The Ultimate Joy Machine
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Planet BMW

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by F000007 View Post
Thanks for posting, very informative, however, I don't think anyone even slightly aware of design could have thought Bangle designed the vehicles by himself, the only emphasis here is that he was head of the department and oversaw all the team's activities as the director in charge.

That's true.

But the design was set by the avant-garde design strategy - which was set sometimes in mid 90s. Prepared & developed by many people from other departments as well (finance, marketing, finance, production, R&D etc).

And every design is based on guidelines set by marketing & engineering department - they create a basic frame for the design. Chassis & body dimensions etc. - all determined. Designers get the body already developed - they just have to "dress" it. So, the bulky E65 7er was bulky due engineers, not designers etc.

Yes, it's true Bangle oversaw, tutored & guided design teams in the process. But in the end it was the Board of Director who picked from the various design proposal - in every stage. Up until the very final design proposal. And Bangle was the link between designers & top managers from the Board: he was told what to do, what to change, what the Board expects etc. And they did that. Of course he advocated the proposals - but that was his job.

But definitely Bangle believed strongly in sharp avant-garde design language for BMW. And so did the Board.

Often Bangle is given wrong credits. Either too many, or too little. Usually media get it completely wrong ... mixing all up.
Appreciate 0
      02-04-2009, 05:05 AM   #119
Sheepcoat
New Member
Sheepcoat's Avatar
Canada
2
Rep
24
Posts

Drives: 2007 328i Sedan SG
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Richmond B.C Canada

iTrader: (0)

I really liked bangle. i think he had the much needed set of balls to try something radically different, like a true rebel. like the people who deserve to drive BMW's, they're willing to risk failure to get ahead of the group.
__________________
2007 SG 328i E90
Appreciate 0
      02-04-2009, 05:20 AM   #120
Geoffo
Major
Geoffo's Avatar
Belgium
26
Rep
1,339
Posts

Drives: Something else..
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Around the fur

iTrader: (0)

I've always liked Bangle's work, and i love the new 7 series,but am i the only one though??
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by zltm089 View Post
YOU GUYS ARE TWISTED!!!...lol...a midget!!!....
Appreciate 0
      02-04-2009, 05:33 AM   #121
Empowered
Private
0
Rep
60
Posts

Drives: VW GOLF GTTDI
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Hull England

iTrader: (0)

Does anyone have any details/knowledge of 'project i' ?
Appreciate 0
      02-04-2009, 05:42 AM   #122
slipknot
Lieutenant
slipknot's Avatar
15
Rep
413
Posts

Drives: omega 2.5
Join Date: May 2008
Location: rotterdam

iTrader: (0)

didnt expect that....Dutchman..huh , maybe bmws will fly now..again
__________________
thats a huge bitch
Appreciate 0
      02-04-2009, 05:44 AM   #123
harrington
Enlisted Member
12
Rep
43
Posts

Drives: 2008 Lexus ES350
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Buffalo

iTrader: (0)

Bangle steps down

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...-leaving_N.htm
Appreciate 0
      02-04-2009, 05:54 AM   #124
Year's_End
Lieutenant General
Year's_End's Avatar
United_States
1112
Rep
12,442
Posts

Drives: 2020 Shelby GT350
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: FL

iTrader: (0)

yeah and ken bloc owns gymkhana.
__________________
Past: '08 E92 335i|ZPP|ZSP|6AT
Past: '15 Mustang GT|401A|PP|6MT
Current: '20 Shelby GT350|6MT
Appreciate 0
      02-04-2009, 06:38 AM   #125
methodtim
Brigadier General
methodtim's Avatar
Liechtenstein
374
Rep
3,883
Posts

Drives: Audi RS Q8
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Darkness there, and nothing more

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227564
__________________
Appreciate 0
      02-04-2009, 11:00 AM   #126
adc
Major General
United_States
2725
Rep
6,750
Posts

Drives: 2018 F80 M3 ED
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: MD/DC

iTrader: (12)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheepcoat View Post
like the people who deserve to drive BMW's, they're willing to risk failure to get ahead of the group.
People who deserve to drive BMW's??? You mean like a cosmic appreciation thing? Or a monetary one?

I guess if I'm driving a 335 I'm a little more deserving than you, driving a 328.

But - sobering thought - not as deserving as someone sporting an M6 cabrio... damn!
Appreciate 0
      02-04-2009, 12:09 PM   #127
Sedan_Clan
Law Enforcer
Sedan_Clan's Avatar
Brazil
24829
Rep
22,229
Posts

Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: ..in your rearview!!!

iTrader: (26)

Quote:
Originally Posted by GregA View Post
That's true.

But the design was set by the avant-garde design strategy - which was set sometimes in mid 90s. Prepared & developed by many people from other departments as well (finance, marketing, finance, production, R&D etc).

And every design is based on guidelines set by marketing & engineering department - they create a basic frame for the design. Chassis & body dimensions etc. - all determined. Designers get the body already developed - they just have to "dress" it. So, the bulky E65 7er was bulky due engineers, not designers etc.

Yes, it's true Bangle oversaw, tutored & guided design teams in the process. But in the end it was the Board of Director who picked from the various design proposal - in every stage. Up until the very final design proposal. And Bangle was the link between designers & top managers from the Board: he was told what to do, what to change, what the Board expects etc. And they did that. Of course he advocated the proposals - but that was his job.

But definitely Bangle believed strongly in sharp avant-garde design language for BMW. And so did the Board.

Often Bangle is given wrong credits. Either too many, or too little. Usually media get it completely wrong ... mixing all up.

Very well stated.
Appreciate 0
      02-04-2009, 12:22 PM   #128
ptx1
Private
ptx1's Avatar
United_States
0
Rep
71
Posts

Drives: 2008 328i Titanium Silver
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: NOR_CAL_BAY_AREA

iTrader: (0)

Whether Bangle was responsible or not, I just hope there's no more pinched rear ends [E90 3series sedan], camel humps [E63 6series coupe] or fat lines [E82 1series coupe] in BMW's future.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GregA View Post
Exterior designers of recent BMW models ... THE MOST COMPLETE LIST UP TO DATE!!!!:


* Henrik Fisker: Z07 Concept, E52 Z8
* Klaus Kapitza: E31 8 series
* Boyke Boyer: E38 7 series
* Joji Nagashima: E90/E91 3 series, E36 3 series, E36/7 Z3, E39 5 series
* Adrian van Hooydonk: E63/E64 6 series, E65/E66 7 series, Z9 GT Concept, Z9 Convertible Concept, MINI ACV30 Concept
* Geoff Velasco: E83 X3
* Anders Warming: E85 Z4 roadster, GINA Light Concept, Mille Miglia 2006 Coupe Concept
* Chris Chapman: E87/E81 1 series hatchback, E53 X5, X-coupe Concept, CS1 Concept
* Erik Goplen: E46 3 series
* Davide Arcangeli: E60/E61 5 series
* Tomasz Sycha: E86 Z4 Coupe
* Marc Michael Markefka: E92/E93 3-series coupe & cabrio, E82/E88 1-series coupe & cabrio
* Pierre Leclercq: E70 X5, X71/E72 X6
* Karim Antoine Habib: CS Concept, F01/F02 7-series
* Benoit Jacob: M1 Hommage Concept
* Juliane Blasi: E89 Z4 roadster
* Jacek Froehlich: F10 / F11 5-series
* Richard Kim: E89 X1


* Marek Djordjevic: RR Phantom family (Phantom, Drophead Copue, Coupe), 100EX, 101EX

* Frank Stephenson: R50-R53 MINI Mk1
* Marcus Syring: R55-R58 MINI Mk2


Mind that interiors, M-kits, M-specific exterior, rims / wheels, interior details like steering wheel, iDrive knob etc are designed by other people!!!

And as you can see NONE of the BMW model's exterior hasn't been penned by Chris Bangle!!! EVER! He was just a chief / a manager. Not an actuall designer. And all the production designs has been selected & chosen by the BMW AG Board of Directors, and not by Bangle himself.
Appreciate 0
      02-04-2009, 12:25 PM   #129
Sedan_Clan
Law Enforcer
Sedan_Clan's Avatar
Brazil
24829
Rep
22,229
Posts

Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: ..in your rearview!!!

iTrader: (26)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ptx1 View Post
Whether Bangle was responsible or not, I just hope there's no more pinched rear ends [E90 3series sedan], camel humps [E63 6series coupe]or fat lines [E82 1series coupe] in BMW's future.
You still fail to grasp his position in the hierarchy. Ah well!

...in other news, here's a good read:

http://darmano.typepad.com/for_blog/BMW_case_study.pdf

His passion is conveyed intensely in that article.

Last edited by Sedan_Clan; 02-04-2009 at 01:38 PM..
Appreciate 0
      02-04-2009, 12:30 PM   #130
Fugly M3
Major General
Fugly M3's Avatar
4909
Rep
5,053
Posts

Drives: 2023 M3CX
Join Date: May 2006
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (5)

wow
Appreciate 0
      02-04-2009, 02:35 PM   #131
kmarei
Major General
kmarei's Avatar
Egypt
685
Rep
6,844
Posts

Drives: 2018 Audi RS5 coupe
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Reston, VA

iTrader: (34)

Garage List
2018 Audi RS5  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by GregA View Post
That's true.

But the design was set by the avant-garde design strategy - which was set sometimes in mid 90s. Prepared & developed by many people from other departments as well (finance, marketing, finance, production, R&D etc).

And every design is based on guidelines set by marketing & engineering department - they create a basic frame for the design. Chassis & body dimensions etc. - all determined. Designers get the body already developed - they just have to "dress" it. So, the bulky E65 7er was bulky due engineers, not designers etc.

Yes, it's true Bangle oversaw, tutored & guided design teams in the process. But in the end it was the Board of Director who picked from the various design proposal - in every stage. Up until the very final design proposal. And Bangle was the link between designers & top managers from the Board: he was told what to do, what to change, what the Board expects etc. And they did that. Of course he advocated the proposals - but that was his job.

But definitely Bangle believed strongly in sharp avant-garde design language for BMW. And so did the Board.

Often Bangle is given wrong credits. Either too many, or too little. Usually media get it completely wrong ... mixing all up.

sounds nice
but in the time he was head of design
they made the worst looking BMW's in recent history (since the E30 days)
and this is a widespread view by many consumers and his peers
and most car websites/magazines
yes BMW sold more cars
but then again their cars were also above and beyond the competition
so i don't think the increase in sales was simply to having a huge butt (bangle butt) or the flame surfacing.

i love my M3
it gives me 10 times more enjoyment than my Audi A5 that i only owned for 6 months ever did
but based on looks alone, the M3 loses bigtime
i'm not saying its ugly, far from it
but if i gave the M3 7/10 the Audi would easily score a 9 for looks
and i got far more comments on the Audi's looks than the M3's
Appreciate 0
      02-04-2009, 02:43 PM   #132
KCE90M3
Private
KCE90M3's Avatar
3
Rep
75
Posts

Drives: 1997 Infiniti I30
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: KC

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RMA View Post
Is that good news or bad news? I personally never cared too much for the 5,6 or 7 series. Did he do the 1 and the 3 series also? Those I like
I'll agree with you on the 5, and to some degree the 7. The 5 was very reserved and not very eye catching, except maybe the 550i. I think even the M5 could've used some more agressive styling to tell the truth. The 3's I was very fond of, especially the new M3. The 6 is a different story....LOVE em. But the M6 needed a few tweakings.
__________________


1997 Infiniti i30gold/tan/Pirelli SP4 All weathers/nothing/nada/zip/zero
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:20 AM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST