Leaving the E9X M3 for F8X M3? Don't give up your E9X for anything

[///WeissBisBlau]

I love my e92, and I just can't get excited about these new ones. I think Godzilla is calling my name next.

[bigjae1976]

Let's revisit this in a year or two...I'm sure a lot of people will jump ship to the F8X.

[kscarrol]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

Let's revisit this in a year or two...I'm sure a lot of people will jump ship to the F8X.

Don't disagree! I bought an E60 545 back in Dec 2003 and the E39 guys were the same way. Many ultimately made the jump. Same for E60 to F10... We E9X folks are no different. The new version sucks, blah, blah, blah... Some will not buy and take their money elsewhere. But for many the new design will grow on them and they will ultimately buy one. And I count myself in that camp. Not a big fan now but we'll what's out there in two-to-three years and decide then...

[n14ssv]

Originally Posted by soniczoom5

nothing beats the feel and sound of the s65 motor........gonna keep mine until the wheels fall off

same in here however not for a long time due to sale

[Ezio]

I cant get pass the way the F80 sounds. i don't care how fast the car is.

my M3 is leased. I have like a year and half or so. would love to grab a 991 GT3.

[nickm3]

Originally Posted by M3-S65

I sold my C6 which I supercharged to 700 HP, full exhaust, meth...and bought my M3 E92 about a year ago. I don't miss the C6 at all...I agree with everything you said..!

Nice!!!! Yea it's really another world, feels better..it's...euphoric for me getting behind the wheel of my M

[modkrazy]

Originally Posted by tony093

I got a chance to see a f8x up close last weekend the car sounds like sh*t

Must have been in granny mode, it is much better from outside if the valves are open. No V8, but good enough for an M.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by ///WeissBlitz76

I love my e92, and I just can't get excited about these new ones. I think Godzilla is calling my name next.

I feel like i cant buy a engine like the S65 anymore in a new car. unless i wanna spend 140k+ new.

the world is somewhat making me buy a turbo engine. At this point i would rock the best turbo engine. GODZILLA!

[Petros]

Originally Posted by nickm3

I sold my C6 Z06 2 weeks ago for a 2011 M competition package. I have tons of goods on her now. I made the switch because of the exhaust note, fast and high revving v8, DCT, the body lines, did I mention the intoxicating sound of the v8!??? That new m3/m4 is a great looking car but sounds like crap, pure crap! Nothing that screams "I want more" or when your friends are in the S65 and everyone is silent because of that exhaust note...I am beyond happy with my purchase and the smile I have everytime I drive her

man that's a huge downgrade just to listen to some exhaust sound and get a boring automatic gearbox. what's wrong with the z06 exhaust note anyway?

Further to the point of this thread, I have zero interest in any overpriced and unreliable modern BMW or even Porsche. Actually once I'm done with the M3 I may make the opposite move to you and get a C6 Z06. That or a GTR possibly. Or I may get an old S2k, Evo or Nissan Z and build it into a dedicated track car and have a more reasonable daily driver instead.

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by Petros

man that's a huge downgrade just to listen to some exhaust sound and get a boring automatic gearbox. what's wrong with the z06 exhaust note anyway?

Further to the point of this thread, I have zero interest in any overpriced and unreliable modern BMW or even Porsche. Actually once I'm done with the M3 I may make the opposite move to you and get a C6 Z06. That or a GTR possibly. Or I may get an old S2k, Evo or Nissan Z and build it into a dedicated track car and have a more reasonable daily driver instead.

You been complaining long enough, what are you waiting for. I had a z06 for 5 days before I sold it for another e90.

[Petros]

Originally Posted by s85e90

You been complaining long enough, what are you waiting for. I had a z06 for 5 days before I sold it for another e90.

gotta buy a house first. i need 2 parking spots. I definitely can't have a z06 as my only car with the kind of winter we have over here. you obviously bought a z06 for the wrong reason if you sold it in less than a week.

[aus]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

Let's revisit this in a year or two...I'm sure a lot of people will jump ship to the F8X.

Originally Posted by kscarrol

Don't disagree! I bought an E60 545 back in Dec 2003 and the E39 guys were the same way. Many ultimately made the jump. Same for E60 to F10... We E9X folks are no different. The new version sucks, blah, blah, blah... Some will not buy and take their money elsewhere. But for many the new design will grow on them and they will ultimately buy one. And I count myself in that camp. Not a big fan now but we'll what's out there in two-to-three years and decide then...

I'm sure you guys are right and many will eventually come around to the F8x, but it's different now compared to when the E46 M3 came out, and then when the E9x M3 came out. They stuck to the traditional core //M principles of a high reving, race engine inspired motor. The motors in the //M cars were always special and would win engine of the year awards all the time.

This new car has essentially NO CORE //M principles in it. It has some cool tech and carbon fiber tech in it, but the engine is a joke, and clearly a way for BMW to make more money as the MAIN factor and better fuel economy as a secondary factor, but the fuel economy is the one they MARKET as the main reason for going FI. It's not like BMW sells huge volumes of M3's. How much better is the S55 than FBO tuned N54?? I'm sure it's more reliable since it'll be designed fro 430HP stock, but it sounds like SH$T compared to the other BMW turbo 6's.
There's just nothing special about the S55, IMO... but I'm the 2% and not the 98% who will buy the F80 and never track it, but will LOVE the torque down low and the push in the back it'll give them so they feel like they're going so fast. That's who BMW is selling the car too now.

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[Yoddha]

NOTHING, absolutely nothing, will beat hitting 8400 rpm on a naturally aspirated V8.

[Petros]

Originally Posted by aus

I'm sure you guys are right and many will eventually come around to the F8x, but it's different now compared to when the E46 M3 came out, and then when the E9x M3 came out. They stuck to the traditional core //M principles of a high reving, race engine inspired motor. The motors in the //M cars were always special and would win engine of the year awards all the time.

This new car has essentially NO CORE //M principles in it. It has some cool tech and carbon fiber tech in it, but the engine is a joke, and clearly a way for BMW to make more money as the MAIN factor and better fuel economy as a secondary factor, but the fuel economy is the one they MARKET as the main reason for going FI. It's not like BMW sells huge volumes of M3's. How much better is the S55 than FBO tuned N54?? I'm sure it's more reliable since it'll be designed fro 430HP stock, but it sounds like SH$T compared to the other BMW turbo 6's.
There's just nothing special about the S55, IMO... but I'm the 2% and not the 98% who will buy the F80 and never track it, but will LOVE the torque down low and the push in the back it'll give them so they feel like they're going so fast. That's who BMW is selling the car too now.

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dont be ridiculous. if anything the F80 has more ///M principles in it than any previous car in the company's history. Its the first ever M car that isn't fatter but lighter than its predecessor. Its the first ever M car with real brakes worthy of the track. It has solid bushings. More carbon fibre than ever before. Better suspension. Better aero. Better handling. Better performance. On the track it will be the most competent car BMW ever made.

[-Ryan-]

As a long time BMW fan, for the first time I have zero interest in the next generation M3/M4. It's either 991 or GTR next for me. I'm going to try to keep the E92 at the same time though. Something tells me if I sell the M I'm really going to regret it in the future.

[AxisMagi]

I'm planning to keep flogging the V8 beast for more years
while building up some capital. Have my sights on
getting an X5 as practical daily and tow for dedicated race car.
If I can hit my targets I may move up to 991 GT3 or Cayman GT4
as my fun car. The M3 is hard to beat for all in one do everything car,
The F8X looks like it will serve that purpose well but after man handling
Big Bertha around I'd like something more nimble and light.

[modkrazy]

Originally Posted by Petros

dont be ridiculous. if anything the F80 has more ///M principles in it than any previous car in the company's history. Its the first ever M car that isn't fatter but lighter than its predecessor. Its the first ever M car with real brakes worthy of the track. It has solid bushings. More carbon fibre than ever before. Better suspension. Better aero. Better handling. Better performance. On the track it will be the most competent car BMW ever made.

This car has worse aero due to new Euro pedestrian safety regulations. The car is 80ish kg lighter but larger. Carbon fiber is hardly an innovation, more like old tech implemented large scale to save costs and realize those weight gains. Brakes/bushings/suspension are very nice to have from the factory, but are unlikely to be far superior to established options (brembos, delrin/group n, ohlins), and come at the cost of the overriding M principle of a high-revving engine with razor-sharp throttle response. But who cares about M principles now that they are no longer an autonomous division? Judge the car on its own (incredibly impressive) merits, not some nebulous proclamations from former M executives and engineers. The new car is a better deal for your money, is a better daily driver, and performs better on the track. That should be enough. If you feel the older NA engines are more pure/raw/engaging/whatevs, that's fine (and I agree), but realize you are basically now the old MT fossil waving his cane at all the DCT punks with their skateboards and their rap music.

[///mawana]

Originally Posted by modkrazy

This car has worse aero due to new Euro pedestrian safety regulations. The car is 80ish kg lighter but larger. Carbon fiber is hardly an innovation, more like old tech implemented large scale to save costs and realize those weight gains. Brakes/bushings/suspension are very nice to have from the factory, but are unlikely to be far superior to established options (brembos, delrin/group n, ohlins), and come at the cost of the overriding M principle of a high-revving engine with razor-sharp throttle response. But who cares about M principles now that they are no longer an autonomous division? Judge the car on its own (incredibly impressive) merits, not some nebulous proclamations from former M executives and engineers. The new car is a better deal for your money, is a better daily driver, and performs better on the track. That should be enough. If you feel the older NA engines are more pure/raw/engaging/whatevs, that's fine (and I agree), but realize you are basically now the old MT fossil waving his cane at all the DCT punks with their skateboards and their rap music.

[M3 Esq]

I'm going to stick with my E92. I just love the V8 too much. I may add a M235i or M2 to my stable at some point though.

[AshyLarryMP]

If my 2011 M3 got stolen or wrecked I would buy a 2013 M3.

The styling of the F80 interior and exterior is a deal breaker for me right off the bat.

The engine being more complicated is a big turn off. It's got more sensors and variables to control so for sure its going to have more problems. When the warranty runs out it's gonna suck to own one.

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by aus

I'm sure you guys are right and many will eventually come around to the F8x, but it's different now compared to when the E46 M3 came out, and then when the E9x M3 came out. They stuck to the traditional core //M principles of a high reving, race engine inspired motor. The motors in the //M cars were always special and would win engine of the year awards all the time.

This new car has essentially NO CORE //M principles in it. It has some cool tech and carbon fiber tech in it, but the engine is a joke, and clearly a way for BMW to make more money as the MAIN factor and better fuel economy as a secondary factor, but the fuel economy is the one they MARKET as the main reason for going FI. It's not like BMW sells huge volumes of M3's. How much better is the S55 than FBO tuned N54?? I'm sure it's more reliable since it'll be designed fro 430HP stock, but it sounds like SH$T compared to the other BMW turbo 6's.
There's just nothing special about the S55, IMO... but I'm the 2% and not the 98% who will buy the F80 and never track it, but will LOVE the torque down low and the push in the back it'll give them so they feel like they're going so fast. That's who BMW is selling the car too now.

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If you cite core M principles...original M cars were hand built homologation specials. In other words...they were built to meet a rule. But there has been an evolution where the opposite is true. Race cars are now based off the street car.

If you look at the P1 and 918...they represent they future of performance vehicles. Wouldn't be surprised if the next M cars used hybrid technology from the i8.

M has evolved...I now see the division as a synergy between technology, innovation, performance, and affordability. The one thing that M did for BMW was to test CFRP for lower cost mass production. So M cars have what super cars have.

[Repoman]

I don't think I'll sell for the next 8 years or so. Even then, I'd probably end up just keeping it and getting a new track toy / weekend car. The feeling that I get when driving around town is just amazing. The V8 rumble as it pushes me back into the seat seems to bring a smile to my face every time. I'm content with what I have.