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07-16-2013, 06:58 AM | #23 |
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You are wrong, the ring time of c63 is faster then the m3. Many m3 owners are mistaken
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07-16-2013, 02:37 PM | #25 |
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Yep but take those cars off the hand of the pro driver, put them in the hand of an average driver and the M3 will easily be in front because it's a lot easier to go fast around a track in it, which in the book of most people means it's a better track car!
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I love my 991s and to be honest after owning 2 e92 m3's I really don't think that it touches the Porsche.
I just went to the track recently and could not believe how well behaved this car was and the brakes are just leaps and bounds better than what comes on the M3. The 991s really shined on the road course as well as the drag strip. Bone stock the car went 11.7@119.5 my M3 would have been far behind and even further behind if it were a longer distance. The reason for the switch was I just had to have a 911 at least once. The performance from the car so far has been phenomenal. As far as a C63 I have no experience with them and really just kinda turned off by them back when they first came out but the coupe does look great along with that sound!! |
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The +2012 CLS63 AMG's are beasts, and they look better than anything below $200k. AMG's are amazing cars, but I'd prefer the M3 on the track simply because it'd be cheaper to run, think oil consumption and tires. AMG's drink oil like no other and the rear tires need replacing every 10k miles if you drive "moderately."
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The last time I've been to Nurburgring was Oct 2012. Spent 7 days there.
Not a single Touristenfahrten have I seen a C63. 5 in 10 cars were GT3s. M3s are like Honda Civics in Japan. They are everywhere ! You see Atoms, BAC mono, Subaru BRZ, Ultima GTR but no C63. The only Mercedes I saw was the SLS blackseries in camo and that was during an industry day testing. It crashed and was burned to bits a day before I took a rental M3 out for the first time. I have seen youtube videos of C63s being quicker than E9X M3s. With money, semi slicks, a little seat time, a car can always be faster. |
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also, the Ring is a great measuring stick, and perhaps the C63 does hold a faster time on it currently, but I tend to take track times on that particular track with a grain of salt. unless you had the same driver on the same day and a closed course, I don't find times there to be perfectly comparable. that said, I don't dismiss that the C63 would likely have a faster lap time on the Ring due to its long straights (where the C63 undeniably outshines the M3). just my opinion. anyways, back to the dick measuring... |
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That, but also, it's lighter, better balanced, has wider tires, all this compensate for the lack of straight line speed and contribute to make it easier and more fun in the corners!
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Thats true. Way more fun to drive the m3 then the c63. Faster doesnt mean more fun to drive.
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On the track 911 will make a mockery of the other two with all cars being driven at their best.
In a straight - 911 and c63 are going to be much faster than the m3. M3 traps about 112-113 on average stock, the 911 avg trap is about 118-119 which is substantially faster than the m3, even a 997.2 pdk pulls hard on a dct m3, and the c63 traps about what the 911 does. Even more over, one member here did 119 mph on a car that I don't even believe was broken in yet and many trapping 117. I have seen most stock m3s around 109-110 by actual drivers and haven't seen any actual newer model c63 times. Last edited by Wolfinwolfsclothing; 07-19-2013 at 12:29 PM.. |
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Interesting- I wonder how the ZCP M3 with stack against that, since the original 8:05 time was with an M3 with standard suspension.
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