Orange Peel in Paint on a $70K car, Really?

[Flea7]

Originally Posted by s85e90

I've known it for years. Lexus is one manufacturer I can think of that mass produces cars (not Bentley/RR) that sands the orange peel out at the factory.

but where did you get the info?
Do you paint or have you??....and do you know there is a water base clear coat?

[Flea7]

Originally Posted by s85e90

I've known it for years. Lexus is one manufacturer I can think of that mass produces cars (not Bentley/RR) that sands the orange peel out at the factory.

Lexus is not a manufacturer.

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by Flea7

Lexus is not a manufacturer.

Semantics...

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by Flea7

but where did you get the info?
Do you paint or have you??....and do you know there is a water base clear coat?

Yes, I'm aware.. Why the third degree? This isn't classified info.. No I don't paint, but I have painted cars, and I have been to many facilites where new cars are painted and been in the collision industry for quite some time.

I am also PPG certified w/ regards to refinishing to include waterborne systems re: education also.

Anymore questions for me?


edit: Waterborne clear is still "newer" tech.. Municipalities (where allowed) were still using a solvent based clear over the base coat (waterborne). This may be changing now, but again I'm not so much involved w/ ref anymore.

[Flea7]

Originally Posted by s85e90

Semantics...

Not saying that the wet sanding is not true ...I just want to know the source of the info if it is.
Also, have you done any auto body work as to painting before?

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by Flea7

Not saying that the wet sanding is not true ...I just want to know the source of the info if it is.
Also, have you done any auto body work as to painting before?

Google it, the info is all over.

MB has also been using ceramic clearcoat for some time and a "self-healing" clearcoat which has the ability to "heal" itself from minor car wash scratches, etc.

[Flea7]

Originally Posted by s85e90

Google it, the info is all over.

MB has also been using ceramic clearcoat for some time and a "self-healing" clearcoat which has the ability to "heal" itself from minor car wash scratches, etc.

though so....google for all the info. I'm not saying that the powder coat is not a problem. BMW does use it for there clear coat. i'm asking your opinion on water base paint and how they wash off. I'll wait til you google that.

oh, have you had any experience in automotive painting? ....and still no answer on info where Toyota wet sands their Lexus brand cars....

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by Flea7

though so....google for all the info. I'm not saying that the powder coat is not a problem. BMW does use it for there clear coat. i'm asking your opinion on water base paint and how they wash off. I'll wait til you google that.

oh, have you had any experience in automotive painting? ....and still no answer on info where Toyota wet sands their Lexus brand cars....

I said Google it, cause I'm not here to teach. This isn't a competition, am I'm not here to compare resumes. It's common knowledge (or so I thought) that certain cars (Lexus being one) are wet sanded from factory. Shit just look at a black ls460 to see that there's no orange peel. You mention powdercoat?? Powdercoat is for metal (and your M3 fenders are plastic). This car is painted. I don't know of any cars that are powdercoated.. You sound condescending now, so I don't need to continue to go back and forth. Do your own research. Again, I have been in the collision industry for quite some time. I don't care what you do.

[Flea7]

Next time, I would suggest that you don't tell people that they are "totally wrong" with out facts or experience. That was my point.

[Flea7]

Originally Posted by s85e90

You mention powdercoat?? Powdercoat is for metal (and your M3 fenders are plastic). This car is painted. I don't know of any cars that are powdercoated..

I just can't stop correcting you because you have not knowledge.
BMW does use a powder clear coating process. Use your best friend ....google.
I've seen the process on a documentary where the body of the car powder clear coated and put into a large autoclave.

[Flea7]

look did the work for you!

http://www.bmwgroup.com/e/0_0_www_bm...rklarlack.html

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by Flea7

I just can't stop correcting you because you have not knowledge.
BMW does use a powder clear coating process. Use your best friend ....google.
I've seen the process on a documentary where the body of the car powder clear coated and put into a large autoclave.

Okay, I have no knowledge.... Based on what I highlighted you must know it all!! That is not powdercoat.. All paint is baked in a booth. Powdercoat is electrostatically applied. How would this work on a plastic fender?? Do tell? Is plastic magnetic?

I've actually painted in a booth (an actual car!!). Your knowledge apparently comes from documentaries lol!


edit: just read your link.. That's still not powdercoating in the traditional form. Keep reading. I'm done, I have better things to do on a Friday night that argue w/ 20 yr olds on the interwebz.

[Flea7]

Originally Posted by s85e90

Okay, I have no knowledge.... Based on what I highlighted you must know it all!! That is not powdercoat.. All paint is baked in a booth. Powdercoat is electrostatically applied. How would this work on a plastic fender?? Do tell? Is plastic magnetic?

I've actually painted in a booth (an actual car!!). Your knowledge apparently comes from documentaries lol!


edit: just read your link.. That's still not powdercoating in the traditional form. Keep reading. I'm done, I have better things to do on a Friday night that argue w/ 20 yr olds on the interwebz.

20 yrs old...i wish. Next time come in with facts.

[Devant]

Originally Posted by s85e90

Yes, I'm aware.. Why the third degree? This isn't classified info.. No I don't paint, but I have painted cars, and I have been to many facilites where new cars are painted and been in the collision industry for quite some time.

I am also PPG certified w/ regards to refinishing to include waterborne systems re: education also.

Anymore questions for me?


edit: Waterborne clear is still "newer" tech.. Municipalities (where allowed) were still using a solvent based clear over the base coat (waterborne). This may be changing now, but again I'm not so much involved w/ ref anymore.

Because you come off like a know it all, who doesn’t know it all.

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by Devant

Because you come off like a know it all, who doesn’t know it all.

You're right I don't know everything, but I thought this forum would have more people who had basic automotive understanding/skills. I offer my 2 cents like everyone else and I get, "where, why? How do you know? Have you ever painted before? WTF is that supposed to mean LOL?

People here constantly ask about oil/temps/ why does my Supercharge whine... etc. etc. etc. So do I come off like a dick sometimes? Sure.. I don't intend it so sorry if you're offended (sincere); however, I do have some credentials as well as ALOT of prior built cars by myself that can speak for themselves as to what "I know"

[s85e90]

And just to put a stop to my apparent falsities, I just googled, "Lexus Ls460"

Straight from Wikipedia:

"The model's new paint finish is applied to bare-metal body panels which are first prepared by a six-axis buffing robot with 3D movements,[8] the entire paint finish is wet-sanded twice by hand between layers of paint application".

[Devant]

Originally Posted by s85e90

You're right I don't know everything, but I thought this forum would have more people who had basic automotive understanding/skills. People here constantly ask about oil/temps/ why does my Supercharge whine... etc. etc. etc. So do I come off like a dick sometimes? Sure.. I don't intend it so sorry if you're offended (sincere); however, I do have some credentials as well as ALOT of prior built cars by myself that can speak for themselves as to what "I know"

Fair enough, but keep in mind for every expert there are 20 laymen so no need to chide people all the time. I am guilty of it myself. We all get empowered to speak strongly when we know what we’re talking about. I agree with you though, I see some of these posts here and I think.."does this person even own a car"..lol

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by Devant

Fair enough, but keep in mind for every expert there are 20 laymen so no need to chide people all the time. I am guilty of it myself. We all get empowered to speak strongly when we know what we’re talking about. I agree with you though, I see some of these posts here and I think.."does this person even own a car"..lol

Exactly, people post about how much oil to add and it makes me think, "How on earth have you made it through life this far to own such an expensive car?"

But I digress, you're right and I should relax.. I'm just over tired and frustrated prob not to mention emotion is hard to convey via written word. No need to get riled up... I always try to remember this: "As much as you think you know, everyone single person you meet knows 1 thing that you may not" It's very humbling. Cheers

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by s85e90

I've known it for years. Lexus is one manufacturer I can think of that mass produces cars (not Bentley/RR) that sands the orange peel out at the factory.

Lexus does NOT sand their cars from factory. They do in fact have orange peel, which is obvious on every Lexus.


Lexus is mass produced, they do not have time/money to do it. It is that simple.

Lexus orange peel is much better than every major (mass) produced car.


My source- I paint for a living.


It may be possible that Lexus only does sand the LS, as these seem to have much less than other Lexus' but I cannot say for sure.

[BMRLVR]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

Lexus does NOT sand their cars from factory. They do in fact have orange peel, which is obvious on every Lexus.


Lexus is mass produced, they do not have time/money to do it. It is that simple.

Lexus orange peel is much better than every major (mass) produced car.


My source- I paint for a living.


It may be possible that Lexus only does sand the LS, as these seem to have much less than other Lexus' but I cannot say for sure.

Yes, only the LS460 and 600 are wet sanded, all other Lexus' are sold with how the paint comes "out of the gun"

Rolls Royces are all sanded/polished before they are sold.

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by BMRLVR

Yes, only the LS460 and 600 are wet sanded, all other Lexus' are sold with how the paint comes "out of the gun"

Rolls Royces are all sanded/polished before they are sold.

i've got some up close pics of a phantom in the shop i'm dying to try and get uploaded for you guys.

The paint really is impeccable on this car. I cannot find a flaw.

[TrevorM3]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/125817...3/14972390238/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/125817...3/14972282130/
sorry about the dust in this shot.