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[FruitCake]

I left my OEM bolts at the shop and its sunday so I can't go get them, Im having vibration issues and I want to find out if its the MS spacers, can I just use the extended bolts without the spacers?

[Krozi]

How thick are the spacers? I wouldn't do it....

Did you follow the DIY installation instructions from EAS?

[FruitCake]

Originally Posted by Krozi

How thick are the spacers? I wouldn't do it....

Did you follow the DIY installation instructions from EAS?

12mm
Yes I know how to install spacers.

[FruitCake]

Got confirmation from mechanic, not a good idea.
Will wait till monday to take these spacers off.

[Krozi]

Originally Posted by FruitCake

12mm
Yes I know how to install spacers.

Lol...hmmm I don't know how deep the threads are in the hubs...I wouldn't risk my wheels not being attached properly if the lugs hit the inside of the hub and make you think the wheel is tight....

Are these on the OEM wheels on your E92 that your putting the spacers onto?

[FruitCake]

Originally Posted by Krozi

Lol...hmmm I don't know how deep the threads are in the hubs...I wouldn't risk my wheels not being attached properly if the lugs hit the inside of the hub and make you think the wheel is tight....

Are these on the OEM wheels on your E92 that your putting the spacers onto?

Yes wheels are OEM.
No weights did not fall off.
Yes tried with another set of wheels.
Yes cleaned prior to installing, and after and triple checked.
Yes I torqued it down to 88ftlbs.
No there is no play in the hub, rack.

Will confirm tomorrow if it is the MS spacers that are the problem.

[Krozi]

Originally Posted by FruitCake

Yes wheels are OEM.
No weights did not fall off.
Yes tried with another set of wheels.
Yes cleaned prior to installing, and after and triple checked.
Yes I torqued it down to 88ftlbs.
No there is no play in the hub, rack.

Will confirm tomorrow if it is the MS spacers that are the problem.

Hmmm...yea I think M3's are really bitchy when it comes to spacers...I put Macht Schnell Spacers on my OEM 18's and I got a shimmy...wheels weren't bent and had the balanced twice...Now with my VMR's I just have 12mm spacers in the back and I don't get a shimmy.

[FruitCake]

Originally Posted by Krozi

Hmmm...yea I think M3's are really bitchy when it comes to spacers...I put Macht Schnell Spacers on my OEM 18's and I got a shimmy...wheels weren't bent and had the balanced twice...Now with my VMR's I just have 12mm spacers in the back and I don't get a shimmy.

so it was the front spacers that gives the wheel shake?

[Krozi]

Originally Posted by FruitCake

so it was the front spacers that gives the wheel shake?

Yup...the steering doesn't like spacers at all...even if the wheels are perfect...

The rear wheels aren't connected to steering so it doesn't create a shimmy...

[Martin_D]

Yes, the front wheels will cause the steering wheel shake/vibration. This same thing has happened to me running BBS wheels with spacers, OEM 19s with spacers, etc.

-Martin

[FruitCake]

will update tomorrow.

[raiste]

I put on some RS Technik spacers last month. No change in vibration for me.



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[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by FruitCake

will update tomorrow.

Do not use extended wheel lugs without the spacers installed.

Here's a recent post regarding vibration and switching from the H&R to Macht Schnell to cure the issue:

Originally Posted by V1.47fan

With the 15mm H&R spacers (front) I had a slight steering wheel vibration above 75mph on smooth roads (about 70mph actual speed, the speedometer reading about 5mph faster at that speed)

Now with the 15mm Macht Schnell Spacers (front) I have no steering wheel vibration above 75mph on smooth roads.

Same wheels,same alignment...I install both set of spacers with the same care.

Just wanted to share my experience with both brands.

Please feel free to drop by so we can inspect your vibration issue and see if it is related to the spacers or not.

[FruitCake]

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

Do not use extended wheel lugs without the spacers installed.

Here's a recent post regarding vibration and switching from the H&R to Macht Schnell to cure the issue:



Please feel free to drop by so we can inspect your vibration issue and see if it is related to the spacers or not.

Yea I will remove it today and see for my self, no need to bring it by. I'll know if its the spacer or not, I hope it is because if its not its a much bigger problem.

[WillC310]

Originally Posted by FruitCake

Yea I will remove it today and see for my self, no need to bring it by. I'll know if its the spacer or not, I hope it is because if its not its a much bigger problem.

I have 2 sets of spacers sitting around. If you want some to test with let me know.

[FruitCake]

Originally Posted by WillC310

I have 2 sets of spacers sitting around. If you want some to test with let me know.

Thanks Will, I'll shoot you a PM.



UPDATE:

It was the spacers, I took them off and 100% of the shaking and shimmy is gone. Time to go with another brand and try it out

[Krozi]

Originally Posted by FruitCake

Thanks Will, I'll shoot you a PM.



UPDATE:

It was the spacers, I took them off and 100% of the shaking and shimmy is gone. Time to go with another brand and try it out

It's no use...I am fairly convinced you are still going to have a shimmy...

[Eurotrash8]

Back to the thread topic.

I took my wheel off and hand tightened the extended MS bolt and it went all the way to the cone end of the bolt.

So why is it not a good idea to run extended bolts without spacers?

[elh0102]

Originally Posted by Eurotrash8

Back to the thread topic.

I took my wheel off and hand tightened the extended MS bolt and it went all the way to the cone end of the bolt.

So why is it not a good idea to run extended bolts without spacers?

As long as it clears, it won't hurt a thing. In the rear, an extremely overly long bolt would interfere with the e-brake spring, but there is a lot of clearance, and you would feel it. Just put the bolt in without the wheel and check the clearance. If it contacts anything, then measure the remaining thread length to the thickness of the wheel. I mean, it's just a bolt, we ain't reprogramming the the computer here. With that said, you don’t want to leave long bolts in very long, since the unprotected portion protruding through the hub will collect debris and will rust rapidly, so removing them could be difficult

[e1000]

Originally Posted by FruitCake

Thanks Will, I'll shoot you a PM.



UPDATE:

It was the spacers, I took them off and 100% of the shaking and shimmy is gone. Time to go with another brand and try it out

do yourself a favor and get some TMS spacers. I've been running mine for months and have ZERO vibration.

[Eurotrash8]

Originally Posted by elh0102

As long as it clears, it won't hurt a thing. In the rear, an extremely overly long bolt would interfere with the e-brake spring, but there is a lot of clearance, and you would feel it. Just put the bolt in without the wheel and check the clearance. If it contacts anything, then measure the remaining thread length to the thickness of the wheel. I mean, it's just a bolt, we ain't reprogramming the the computer here. With that said, you don’t want to leave long bolts in very long, since the unprotected portion protruding through the hub will collect debris and will rust rapidly, so removing them could be difficult

Thanks for the confirmation. Yeah I didnt get why people are saying not to run it that way even vender EAS

I turned all the lugs by hand and they're fine. Cannot think of any neg affects to this aside from what you said regrading the debris and rust.

This is somewhat temporary until I get some new ones from a U.S. dealer at $3 a bolt vs $10 here in CAD. What a joke

[11' AW M3]

while on the topic of bolts... anyone know the proper length that should protrude past the wheel? I ask because I noticed that when I put on my HRE's, I had slightly less protrusion than stock, which means less threads engaged. I am debating whether its worth buying slightly longer bolts, as I am only going to keep these wheels for another 2 weeks or so. Any suggestions?