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We all have to look at these lap times objectively, they are all pretty much one-offs achieved be extremely gifted drivers who know the track and the cars better than almost anyone else will.........ever. |
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In this case if the means of the 2 normal curves + 1 standard deviation gets a GTR to 7:30 then I would believe the time..... I thought the internet had all the data mankind ever needed
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Which theoretically means a (ex)F1 driver or Marc Basseng(D) or Tom Coronel(NL) or Michael Vergers(NL) or Stefan Roser(D) or whoever is a pro driver at the Ring could do a lap in a stock E9xM3 6MT in about 7:54 LOL. That's what I am interested in. |
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Two words : Frank Stipler. I sincerely believe that in the right hands the M3 is capable of in the seven fifty something, what that might actually end up I honest don't know. Though I will add that the behaviour and handling charactistics of a rwd car to that of an awd one is different and it's not necessarily the case that the same driver (even a good one) will pull the best out of each. If you drive a rwd car as neatly as possible you achieve the best out of it but if you drive an awd likewise it will not. Most awd cars you need to be beyond neat, to get a four wheel drift at times is the optimum way. |
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Come to think of it: The 430 Scuderia(my favourite 'normally available' sportscar at the moment) did the job in 7:39 with also Horst behind the wheel. Which means 7:28 theoretically with [insert F1 driver]could be possible.
Haleluja praise the Lord. LOL Sorry for OT though... |
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But I reckon you maybe right about the F430 Scuderia, on other tracks the four rivals are always extremely close in lap times, the F430scud, the GT2, the LP560/4 and the GTR so if the GTR has done a 7:29 and the GT2 did a 7:32 you could well expected the Ferrari to be around either of those times in the right hands and on the right day. |
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The 8:05 time was set with both PSC+ rubber and the over-the-counter hot-damn brake pads not available from the assembly line. Not sure what the brakes were worth, but figure at least a second a minute from the tires over PS2s, as the PSC+ tires are in fact PSCs with one additional tread groove -same as offered in the GT3, etc. Bruce |
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Though I drove an M3 equipped with CUP+ on a wet October in N.Ireland and I wouldn't have any faith in Mr Joe Average not having a 'soiled pant' induced moment or two in the 5~6 months of winter weather that we get. That's why I Went for the 18" with PS2 instead. |
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Long ago, I mentioned that I thought the M3 could get down to an 8:02 or thereabouts with PS2s and a cockpit asassin aboard. Close, but no cigar on the seven minute rarified air. I wouldn't mind if I were proven wrong, however. Bruce |
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So far no-one outside of Nissan has come close to a 7:29 lap in a stock GT-R.
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Has someone got close to either the ACR's or ZR1's times?
If so please post a link because I am unfamiliar with it. |
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I too would like to know where the M3 would end up with a similar effort that Nissan put into the 7:29 time. Well under rating by 100 hp would certainly get its time solidly into the 7:XX range, that's for sure . Even being honest with the power a Nissan style assault with the PSC+, M-DCT, factory track brake pads and ace driver would be plenty enough as well to get into the 7:XX range. We are still waiting patiently for the M-DCT supertest. Hopefully they will have 31.2 software or newer . |
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If the RS4 could do a 7:58 lap then it's a cert that the M3 should be able to better that time by 2 or 3 seconds. I actually surprised that more companies don't post videos of the best laps to just show what is truly capable.Though unlike swamp I am not so sure DCT will make that much of a difference.
P.S. Why is it that SportAuto can get their hands on a yet to be launch DCT 335i to test but can't seem to find an M3 with M-DCT? I think BMW are to blame for this and not SportAuto, I wish someone could enlighted us as to why this is. |
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But they did not do the supertest with 'Ring time yet for the 335i DCT did they? We've beat the horse pretty well dead on the lack of a M-DCT 'Ring time as well. There very well may have been a BMW suggested/requested/mandated delay but for some time the weather and track conditions have been the reason to not test. I'm sure in spring there will be a test and release of the number.
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