BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > M3 (E90 / E92 / E93) > Regional Forums > Canada
 
Mporium BMW
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      04-21-2014, 10:50 PM   #1
Kunman
First Lieutenant
26
Rep
328
Posts

Drives: m3
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Canada

iTrader: (0)

warped rotors

I was doing some fast driving, warped the rotors.

What should I do? I went to a Markham dealer and they rejected my request for new rotors because judging from the condition of my cars, the tech said it is not within the normal wear and tear of daily driving.

The car is 2013 delivered in June, with 19XXX kms. thanks

Last edited by Kunman; 04-22-2014 at 10:22 PM..
Appreciate 0
      04-21-2014, 11:16 PM   #2
kaleb
Second Lieutenant
25
Rep
294
Posts

Drives: '12 X5 35d
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Dallas, TX

iTrader: (0)

Just drive reasonably for a while and it will go away. You probably didn't warp your rotors, you just have some pad deposits on them.
__________________
2012 X5 35D - Platinum Gray / Cinnamon Options: Sport, Tech, Cold Weather, comfort seats, leather dash, high beam assist, lane-departure warning, soft-close doors, two-row, self-leveling suspension, hi-fi stereo
Tracks driven (in any car): Nürburgring Nordschleife (05/2011), LeMans (ok, just the public part), Eagles Canyon Raceway, MotorSport Ranch Cresson, COTA Austin
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2014, 12:22 AM   #3
Kunman
First Lieutenant
26
Rep
328
Posts

Drives: m3
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kaleb View Post
Just drive reasonably for a while and it will go away. You probably didn't warp your rotors, you just have some pad deposits on them.
Thanks for the response. The master technicians said the rotors were warped
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2014, 12:24 AM   #4
1MOREMOD
-
1MOREMOD's Avatar
United_States
11817
Rep
23,187
Posts

Drives: Race car->
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: check your mirrors

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunman View Post
Thanks for the response. The master technicians said the rotors were warped
They don't know, I was told I had the worst warped rotors they have ever seen. Ran race pads and deposits went away and the rotors were fine. Very unlikey they would warp.
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2014, 12:36 AM   #5
Kunman
First Lieutenant
26
Rep
328
Posts

Drives: m3
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD View Post
They don't know, I was told I had the worst warped rotors they have ever seen. Ran race pads and deposits went away and the rotors were fine. Very unlikey they would warp.
very interesting, thats exactly what they said.
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2014, 09:34 AM   #6
sawzall
Major
sawzall's Avatar
Canada
50
Rep
1,285
Posts

Drives: A Car
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Toronto

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2012 911S  [10.00]
2011 911 GT3 RS  [0.00]
Its highly unlikely you warped your rotors. Even aggressive street driving wont build up that kind of heat. As long as your pads are fine the deposits on your rotors will clear up after a few days of driving.
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2014, 11:08 AM   #7
Bill N
New Member
Bill N's Avatar
Canada
1
Rep
23
Posts

Drives: 2011 M3
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: London, ON

iTrader: (0)

x

Last edited by Bill N; 10-25-2014 at 07:48 PM..
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2014, 10:22 PM   #8
Kunman
First Lieutenant
26
Rep
328
Posts

Drives: m3
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Canada

iTrader: (0)

Had a garage take precision measurements with the rotors, both were warped.

Anyways, going to figure out another way to deal with this, thanks for the help everyone.
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2014, 11:03 PM   #9
1MOREMOD
-
1MOREMOD's Avatar
United_States
11817
Rep
23,187
Posts

Drives: Race car->
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: check your mirrors

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunman View Post
Had a garage take precision measurements with the rotors, both were warped.

Anyways, going to figure out another way to deal with this, thanks for the help everyone.
They will measure warped with deposits, don't buy it. If this happened outside of competition I still call bs. Your being duped.
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2014, 11:05 PM   #10
schnell325
Bored at work....
schnell325's Avatar
Canada
888
Rep
5,387
Posts

Drives: 2016 F82 M4 GTS//2022 M235iGC
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Comox Valley

iTrader: (8)

Our rotors are covered? I thought that was USA only?
Appreciate 0
      04-23-2014, 06:13 AM   #11
bobblehead
Brigadier General
bobblehead's Avatar
Canada
256
Rep
4,721
Posts

Drives: warp speed
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Toronto, On

iTrader: (0)

try Endras BMW. Although it's crazy far but they may do something for you. The worst they can say is No.
Appreciate 0
      04-23-2014, 07:59 AM   #12
Bill N
New Member
Bill N's Avatar
Canada
1
Rep
23
Posts

Drives: 2011 M3
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: London, ON

iTrader: (0)

Unless you're driving on track a lot, warping does seem hard to believe.
Appreciate 0
      04-23-2014, 08:25 AM   #13
Alex///M
E90 - the Ultimate family hauler
Alex///M's Avatar
Canada
22
Rep
578
Posts

Drives: 2008 E90 ///M3
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Halifax

iTrader: (15)

I've had my '08 E90 M3 since new and have driven it on the track no less than 6 times per year every year since buying it. I've never warped my rotors and my local track is of the "point and squirt" variety so it's hard on brakes.

As a matter of fact, I just replaced my original rotors and pads at the beginning of last season after nearly 50,000 km's of year-round usage. So I would take the advise that M3's tend to warp rotors with a massive grain of salt. If you are hard on your brakes, then it doesn't matter what car you drive, you will have overheating and possibly warping issues.

Back to the original poster, I feel the same as several others on this thread - the Markham dealer is trying to take you for a ride to a much larger bill than is necessary. I'd try to find a shop to go to that you can trust.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill N View Post
I recently bought an M3 which I plan to drive on track. I was advised that they do, indeed, tend to warp rotors. I installed the two-piece PFC rotors on the front, we'll see how that goes.

I agree that you should first eliminate the pad deposit possibility. Hawk Blue pads are reputed to be good for that, I hear.

I had a Porsche 951 that I tracked for a number of years. It started (or I started ) to warp Zimmerman rotors in a weekend or two. I was skeptical, but tried frozen rotors. The claim is that cryogenically freezing them changes their properties somehow and makes them more resistant to warping. I admit, sounds like voodoo, and I'm not alone in that opinion. Nonetheless, the warping problem completely disappeared.
__________________
2008 AW E90 M3 - current
2002 TIAG E46 M3 - gone
1991 DiamondSchwartz E30 M3 - gone but not forgotten
Appreciate 0
      04-23-2014, 08:43 AM   #14
Gearhead999s
Major General
Gearhead999s's Avatar
814
Rep
7,888
Posts

Drives: RR Velar R=Dynamic M2C R1200GS
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Toronto

iTrader: (0)

http://www.stoptech.com/technical-su...nd-other-myths


I ran on stock rotors with 55000 kms and at least 35 days of track duty and sold the car with the original rotors.I had shudder many times but it always cleaned up with a bit of driving.The only time you need to change rotors in when they are worn past the wear limits or they are cracked.
Appreciate 0
      04-23-2014, 09:11 AM   #15
sawzall
Major
sawzall's Avatar
Canada
50
Rep
1,285
Posts

Drives: A Car
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Toronto

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2012 911S  [10.00]
2011 911 GT3 RS  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill N View Post
I recently bought an M3 which I plan to drive on track. I was advised that they do, indeed, tend to warp rotors. I installed the two-piece PFC rotors on the front, we'll see how that goes.

I agree that you should first eliminate the pad deposit possibility. Hawk Blue pads are reputed to be good for that, I hear.

I had a Porsche 951 that I tracked for a number of years. It started (or I started ) to warp Zimmerman rotors in a weekend or two. I was skeptical, but tried frozen rotors. The claim is that cryogenically freezing them changes their properties somehow and makes them more resistant to warping. I admit, sounds like voodoo, and I'm not alone in that opinion. Nonetheless, the warping problem completely disappeared.
Whoever told you that is blowing smoke up your *ss. I've done over 30 track days on the OEM rotors on my 911, and while i've gotten judder from pad deposits, they'd clear up after a few days.

Think about it for a minute. Rotors are generally cast iron. Brake pads have a much lower melting point than iron. If you warp your rotors, you would have melted your pads and then some. Cryo rotors are pseudo-science.

Last edited by sawzall; 04-23-2014 at 10:37 AM..
Appreciate 0
      04-23-2014, 10:04 AM   #16
1MOREMOD
-
1MOREMOD's Avatar
United_States
11817
Rep
23,187
Posts

Drives: Race car->
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: check your mirrors

iTrader: (5)

Seems like peope wanna believe they can warp their rotors, I beleieved the opposite and I was right. I would have bought new rotors every time I took it to the track if I let my dealership advise me.
Appreciate 0
      04-23-2014, 11:22 AM   #17
Kunman
First Lieutenant
26
Rep
328
Posts

Drives: m3
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by sawzall View Post
Whoever told you that is blowing smoke up your *ss. I've done over 30 track days on the OEM rotors on my 911, and while i've gotten judder from pad deposits, they'd clear up after a few days.

Think about it for a minute. Rotors are generally cast iron. Brake pads have a much lower melting point than iron. If you warp your rotors, you would have melted your pads and then some. Cryo rotors are pseudo-science.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD View Post
Seems like peope wanna believe they can warp their rotors, I beleieved the opposite and I was right. I would have bought new rotors every time I took it to the track if I let my dealership advise me.



I came here asking for advice, but rustled everyone's jimmies instead. Or should I say everyone rustled their own jimmies, because asking a question about warped rotors here is taken as bragging.

But It is what it is, rotors are warped, will post proof soon.

Last edited by Kunman; 04-23-2014 at 11:38 AM..
Appreciate 0
      04-23-2014, 12:52 PM   #18
Gearhead999s
Major General
Gearhead999s's Avatar
814
Rep
7,888
Posts

Drives: RR Velar R=Dynamic M2C R1200GS
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Toronto

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunman View Post


I came here asking for advice, but rustled everyone's jimmies instead. Or should I say everyone rustled their own jimmies, because asking a question about warped rotors here is taken as bragging.

But It is what it is, rotors are warped, will post proof soon.
I do not think you listen very well!

A lot of very good collective experience here on this problem.
Appreciate 0
      04-23-2014, 12:58 PM   #19
1MOREMOD
-
1MOREMOD's Avatar
United_States
11817
Rep
23,187
Posts

Drives: Race car->
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: check your mirrors

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gearhead999s View Post
I do not think you listen very well!

A lot of very good collective experience here on this problem.
+1, "doing some hard driving" will not warp your rotors. Repeated abuse on the track going from 150 plus to 70 as well as other hard stops for 30 minutes in a row by very experienced drivers doesn't cause that result. My rotors have been smoking and still glowing blue when I came off, still worked all the way to minimum thickness. And gearhead has way more experience on track than me and is a lot faster as well I suspect.
Appreciate 0
      04-23-2014, 02:03 PM   #20
ailikesiliu
Captain
ailikesiliu's Avatar
80
Rep
998
Posts

Drives: e90m3 997.2gt3rs
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC

iTrader: (8)

how "hard" were you driving?
Appreciate 0
      04-23-2014, 02:08 PM   #21
Kunman
First Lieutenant
26
Rep
328
Posts

Drives: m3
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Canada

iTrader: (0)

alright, again thanks for the advice everyone.

I will try to re-bed my jimmies, i mean, brake pads.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbs_lm View Post
how "hard" were you driving?
"race track" hard
Appreciate 0
      04-23-2014, 06:23 PM   #22
Bill N
New Member
Bill N's Avatar
Canada
1
Rep
23
Posts

Drives: 2011 M3
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: London, ON

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by sawzall View Post

Think about it for a minute. Rotors are generally cast iron. Brake pads have a much lower melting point than iron. If you warp your rotors, you would have melted your pads and then some. Cryo rotors are pseudo-science.
I don't have any idea if the cryo process resulted in the improvement...maybe they just use a better rotor...I agree, it sounds like voodoo. In any event, changed rotors, problem went away.

But...you are saying that if a rotor were to warp, it would first have to be melted?
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:35 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST