Leaving the E9X M3 for F8X M3? Don't give up your E9X for anything

[W///]

Originally Posted by Ezio

I guess your ok with settling then.

For me i want a car thats going to give me performance AND sound/emotion.

Then maybe I am. Even BMW themselves admitted in an interview that the S55 doesn't/cannot sound as good as the S65.

You lose the sound, but you gain much better brakes
You get a bit less weight, but you don't get as much steering feel (although very accurate)
You lose ridiculously high redline, but you gain an ass load of power

See what I mean now? If it's not for you, then go back to a Corvette. That's the great thing about choices

And FYI, I'm not settling. I now plan on keeping the E92 and potentially add after LCI.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by W///

You aren't getting my point. Compare them all you want. But like I said, are the turbod engines ever going to sound as a high revving German powerplant? The answer will 99.9% no. What did you guys expect the car to sound like? A V10? Different engines, period.

So what are we bringing to the table exactly? Nothing.
If sound is number 1 on your list, then you know what, keep your V8 and enjoy it. There's 0 new BMW that will do it for you. But there's plenty of things the M3/4 brings to the table too, simple as that.

I think W///, if I were you, I would just slap a blower on your E92 and call it a day! You're at just $7k to have the best driving experience you can get outside of some +$100k used exotics, you should consider that!

I know the F8x is tempting because of the power and all the other goodies, but paying +$75k for the new car when you already have something IMO more special, is not worth it! The only reason I'd go with the new Ms insted of supercharging the E92 is if I was a track junky who wanted a warranty on my toy. And since you only do with your M pretty much the same thing I do with mine, you wont find anything better then a blown S65!!

Just my opinion, and I like the new M3/M4, but for what I do, I don't see anything that is worth getting rid of my S65 and paying the high price for it! In fact, I even decided I was gonna do the LCI tail lights on my car, in big part because the F8x just confirmed I was'nt gonna get rid of my E92 for many years again!

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by W///

Then maybe I am. Even BMW themselves admitted in an interview that the S55 doesn't/cannot sound as good as the S65.

You lose the sound, but you gain much better brakes
You get a bit less weight, but you don't get as much steering feel (although very accurate)
You lose ridiculously high redline, but you gain an ass load of power

See what I mean now? If it's not for you, then go back to a Corvette. That's the great thing about choices

And FYI, I'm not settling. I now plan on keeping the E92 and potentially add after LCI.

well in a corvette.

i will gain a lot of power, sound will be still very good.
i will lose more weight than the m4 does.
the corvette much much more appealing car. For sound and performance

I could have gotten a C7, but i got a slower M3. So i am more of a M3 guy, but i just cant get past where the cars have went.

the new m3 just came out, people like me are going to bitch. we will get over it. either keep my e92 or buy another car.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

I think W///, if I were you, I would just slap a blower on your E92 and call it a day! You're at just $7k to have the best driving experience you can get outside of some +$100k used exotics, you should consider that!

I know the F8x is tempting because of the power and all the other goodies, but paying +$75k for the new car when you already have something IMO more special, is not worth it! The only reason I'd go with the new Ms insted of supercharging the E92 is if I was a track junky who wanted a warranty on my toy. And since you only do with your M pretty much the same thing I do with mine, you wont find anything better then a blown S65!!

Just my opinion, and I like the new M3/M4, but for what I do, I don't see anything that is worth getting rid of my S65 and paying the high price for it! In fact, I even decided I was gonna do the LCI tail lights on my car, in big part because the F8x just confirmed I was'nt gonna get rid of my E92 for many years again!

I am actually considering that as an option too Alex. Trust me, I haven't completely given up on the V8 or anything

I just wish there was someone around here that had a supercharged E9x that I could ride (maybe even drive) in. I can imagine the power it makes, but I think being in one would maybe make me forget completely about the F80. Maybe I need to make a trip up to Canada?

I tend to think keeping the car as they are (engine wise) is the way to go. We'll see what happens. For now, the E92 stays, and I'm more than happy to start driving her more than I have been the past couple of months.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Ezio

well in a corvette.

i will gain a lot of power, sound will be still very good.
i will lose more weight than the m4 does.
the corvette much much more appealing car. For sound and performance

I could have gotten a C7, but i got a slower M3. So i am more of a M3 guy, but i just cant get past where the cars have went.

the new m3 just came out, people like me are going to bitch. we will get over it. either keep my e92 or buy another car.

I predict, if you want an N/A V8 in the next couple of years, your only option will be American muscle cars or some kind of exotic Italian, because more or less all Germans are going to go turbo (even Porsche).

I also predict that the days of pure N/A V8 are coming to an end within the decade. I can't see a Corvette ever completely ditching the V8, because afterall, that's why people buy muscle cars. But don't be surprised to see turbo 4 and 6 (like the Mustang is going) in the lineup, and the V8 being some kind of hybrid technology.

Just my opinion.

For what it's worth, I'd go turbo all day before I do any kind of hybrid tech like the i8

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by W///

I am actually considering that as an option too Alex. Trust me, I haven't completely given up on the V8 or anything

I just wish there was someone around here that had a supercharged E9x that I could ride (maybe even drive) in. I can imagine the power it makes, but I think being in one would maybe make me forget completely about the F80. Maybe I need to make a trip up to Canada?

I tend to think keeping the car as they are (engine wise) is the way to go. We'll see what happens. For now, the E92 stays, and I'm more than happy to start driving her more than I have been the past couple of months.

I wish you lived closer so I could let you drive mine, I'm sure that would immidiatly put a end to that "getting rid of E92" nonsense! lol

But seriously, I really liked my car before the blower but felt it was a bit dull in the way it delivered the power, eventhough it was faster then my stg2 STI, it did'nt felt like it! That's why I decided to go with a supercharger, to go get that extra humff(for the lack of better word) that this car needed. Honestly, it really gave a second life to this car for me, that's what it needed for me to really fell in love with it! Now, everytime I go WOT pass 5000rpm it's just much more exiting, a good adrenaline rush I would say! And when I just cruise around town, just listening to that V8 and knowing that the power is there if I need it is more then enough to keep me happy! I would even go to say that my car is just as fun in it's power delivery as my friend's Gallardo, and my friend would confirm that to you!

Also if you're afraid that an entry level kit at ~$6-7k might not be enough, know that I trapped 119mph with just a VT1-535 and no other mods, so now with the VT1-550 pulley and test pipes, there's no doubt I have a +120mph car, and I'm manuel just like you!

I have now had my blower for 2years/25000km and I drive it hard, many days at the drag strip, many race against fast cars like Gallardo, C63 507, F10 M5, ect... and the car always been rock solid! Just to give you an idea of my driving style, I blew up 4 engines on my 09 STI with just a Cobb stg2, these cars are'nt very reliable, but still, I have'nt seen anyone who broke that much engine in only 40000km on that platform!

Overhall, I'm really impressed by the performance and reliablility of this kit, I wish you could experience one to know what you're missing, I'm sure you'de pull the trigger!

[nusevad]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Also if you're afraid that an entry level kit at ~$6-7k might not be enough, know that I trapped 119mph with just a VT1-535 and no other mods, so now with the VT1-550 pulley and test pipes, there's no doubt I have a +120mph car, and I'm manuel just like you!

How easy is it to upgrade a V1 ESS 550 to their V2s?

[W///]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

I wish you lived closer so I could let you drive mine, I'm sure that would immidiatly put a end to that "getting rid of E92" nonsense! lol

But seriously, I really liked my car before the blower but felt it was a bit dull in the way it delivered the power, eventhough it was faster then my stg2 STI, it did'nt felt like it! That's why I decided to go with a supercharger, to go get that extra humff(for the lack of better word) that this car needed. Honestly, it really gave a second life to this car for me, that's what it needed for me to really fell in love with it! Now, everytime I go WOT pass 5000rpm it's just much more exiting, a good adrenaline rush I would say! And when I just cruise around town, just listening to that V8 and knowing that the power is there if I need it is more then enough to keep me happy! I would even go to say that my car is just as fun in it's power delivery as my friend's Gallardo, and my friend would confirm that to you!

Also if you're afraid that an entry level kit at ~$6-7k might not be enough, know that I trapped 119mph with just a VT1-535 and no other mods, so now with the VT1-550 pulley and test pipes, there's no doubt I have a +120mph car, and I'm manuel just like you!

I have now had my blower for 2years/25000km and I drive it hard, many days at the drag strip, many race against fast cars like Gallardo, C63 507, F10 M5, ect... and the car always been rock solid! Just to give you an idea of my driving style, I blew up 4 engines on my 09 STI with just a Cobb stg2, these cars are'nt very reliable, but still, I have'nt seen anyone who broke that much engine in only 40000km on that platform!

Overhall, I'm really impressed by the performance and reliablility of this kit, I wish you could experience one to know what you're missing, I'm sure you'de pull the trigger!

Ah, more bad influences haha. I don't know if it was clear or not, but I did decide to keep the E92. While I know there are things that are much better on the F80/2, this car is still very special. The car also has a lot of sentimental value to me, more so than any car I've ever owned.

Just had a neighbor of mine text me this morning, and said "Damn she sounds good" haha.

I think right now, I'm going to wait to see what kind of bugs they find the first year. Then also see what M2 and ZCP might bring to the table. By then, the E92 will be paid off, and I'll be able to add an F80. What's better than being able to chose both V8 or turbo? But then again, if I tried an SC'ed E9x and loved it so much, that might save me some money in the long run

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by FifthStreetz

How easy is it to upgrade a V1 ESS 550 to their V2s?

Not sure, all I did was updating my VT1-535 to VT1-550 by simply swapping the pulleys, and seriously, I see a very noticable difference!

[Malek@MRF]

Originally Posted by FifthStreetz

How easy is it to upgrade a V1 ESS 550 to their V2s?

1 day of work.

[modkrazy]

An improvement. Still no S65, but much better than the Awcrapovic.

[modkrazy]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

I think W///, if I were you, I would just slap a blower on your E92 and call it a day! You're at just $7k to have the best driving experience you can get outside of some +$100k used exotics, you should consider that!

I know the F8x is tempting because of the power and all the other goodies, but paying +$75k for the new car when you already have something IMO more special, is not worth it! The only reason I'd go with the new Ms insted of supercharging the E92 is if I was a track junky who wanted a warranty on my toy. And since you only do with your M pretty much the same thing I do with mine, you wont find anything better then a blown S65!!

Just my opinion, and I like the new M3/M4, but for what I do, I don't see anything that is worth getting rid of my S65 and paying the high price for it! In fact, I even decided I was gonna do the LCI tail lights on my car, in big part because the F8x just confirmed I was'nt gonna get rid of my E92 for many years again!

Man, I need a supercharger yesterday. Gotta decide by end of year whether to get blower or extended warranty.

I'm surprised to see you in on the sound argument, though. I've sat in a car with M Performance exhaust and test pipes, and it was a raspy nightmare. That exhaust does not pair well with mid-section mods. To each his own, I suppose.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by modkrazy

Man, I need a supercharger yesterday. Gotta decide by end of year whether to get blower or extended warranty.

I'm surprised to see you in on the sound argument, though. I've sat in a car with M Performance exhaust and test pipes, and it was a raspy nightmare. That exhaust does not pair well with mid-section mods. To each his own, I suppose.

Screw the warranty, I bought my blower the week after mine ended! lol

As for the sound, I'm surprised you did'nt liked the MPE+test pipes combo, I even prefer it to the Corsa I had before, which is one of the best sounding exhaust for the S65 IMO! Maybe a bit raspy but that's how an M engine should sound!

this is my car:

[M3AG]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Not sure, all I did was updating my VT1-535 to VT1-550 by simply swapping the pulleys, and seriously, I see a very noticable difference!

Alex who installed the ESS for you? Local shop?

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by M3AG

Alex who installed the ESS for you? Local shop?

A friend of mine did it, in fact WE did it in his driveway, rather easy install...that my friend said!

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

I wish you lived closer so I could let you drive mine, I'm sure that would immidiatly put a end to that "getting rid of E92" nonsense! lol

But seriously, I really liked my car before the blower but felt it was a bit dull in the way it delivered the power, eventhough it was faster then my stg2 STI, it did'nt felt like it! That's why I decided to go with a supercharger, to go get that extra humff(for the lack of better word) that this car needed. Honestly, it really gave a second life to this car for me, that's what it needed for me to really fell in love with it! Now, everytime I go WOT pass 5000rpm it's just much more exiting, a good adrenaline rush I would say! And when I just cruise around town, just listening to that V8 and knowing that the power is there if I need it is more then enough to keep me happy! I would even go to say that my car is just as fun in it's power delivery as my friend's Gallardo, and my friend would confirm that to you!

Also if you're afraid that an entry level kit at ~$6-7k might not be enough, know that I trapped 119mph with just a VT1-535 and no other mods, so now with the VT1-550 pulley and test pipes, there's no doubt I have a +120mph car, and I'm manuel just like you!

I have now had my blower for 2years/25000km and I drive it hard, many days at the drag strip, many race against fast cars like Gallardo, C63 507, F10 M5, ect... and the car always been rock solid! Just to give you an idea of my driving style, I blew up 4 engines on my 09 STI with just a Cobb stg2, these cars are'nt very reliable, but still, I have'nt seen anyone who broke that much engine in only 40000km on that platform!

Overhall, I'm really impressed by the performance and reliablility of this kit, I wish you could experience one to know what you're missing, I'm sure you'de pull the trigger!

would you recommend just going for a 620 or 650kit right off the bat if you have the money. I hate doing things twice, i feel like just getting the most powerful kit.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Ezio

would you recommend just going for a 620 or 650kit right off the bat if you have the money. I hate doing things twice, i feel like just getting the most powerful kit.

If I were in your shoes, I would totally go with a VT2-625 right from the start. The reason why I went with a VT1 two years ago are one; my car is an 08 and supposedly they are more prone to failure, two; back in those days I was'nt sure about the reliablility of supercharged S65s in general so I wanted to stay on the safe side, and tree; a VT2-625 was retailed at ~$13k. So for all these reasons, the ~$8k VT1 seemed like the best idea!

I certainly don't feel like my car does'nt have enough power, and I'm not missing an intercooler either since I don't track my M much, but if my car was a +2010, I would'nt hesitate to put $10k toward a VT2-625! Two years(and 25000km) later, I honestly feel that these engines(+2010) can be very reliable even with the higher boost kits, I would'nt go with a VT2-650 just because I would sleep better knowing that I'm not playing near the limits, but I'd feel safe having a 625!

edit: just realised you asked between 625 and 650 lol, like I said, I would'nt go with the 650, just to sleep better...and 25hp for $2k is not worth it at that point either IMO

[modkrazy]

Originally Posted by Ezio

would you recommend just going for a 620 or 650kit right off the bat if you have the money. I hate doing things twice, i feel like just getting the most powerful kit.

I am thinking going for an intercooled kit, with a lower amount of boost. Should help engine longevity and keep temps down, plus, it would be easy to just swap belts/tune for more power if you really wanted it. Definitely need the intercooler though. I wish I was in the EU so I could go with Evolve, but stateside ESS has the volume and AA has the looks.

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Screw the warranty, I bought my blower the week after mine ended! lol

As for the sound, I'm surprised you did'nt liked the MPE+test pipes combo, I even prefer it to the Corsa I had before, which is one of the best sounding exhaust for the S65 IMO! Maybe a bit raspy but that's how an M engine should sound!

this is my car:

I much prefer the Dinan sound. Full exhaust sounds better than anything out there, period. I pussied out and went with test pipes, and it still rips. Nice ride, though!

Since you installed the parts yourself, I'm guessing you're on original bearings? What's your mileage (sorry if this has been answered already).

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by modkrazy

I am thinking going for an intercooled kit, with a lower amount of boost. Should help engine longevity and keep temps down, plus, it would be easy to just swap belts/tune for more power if you really wanted it. Definitely need the intercooler though. I wish I was in the EU so I could go with Evolve, but stateside ESS has the volume and AA has the looks.

I much prefer the Dinan sound. Full exhaust sounds better than anything out there, period. I pussied out and went with test pipes, and it still rips. Nice ride, though!

Since you installed the parts yourself, I'm guessing you're on original bearings? What's your mileage (sorry if this has been answered already).

Yes original bearings, I have ~92000km and I installed the kit at ~67000km!

[aus]

For you guys thinking of getting a blower. Check out the Harrop thread. They're still tuning Stage 1 right now with 6psi.

vs. ESS VT525


vs VT625

[Ezio]

Ya that makes sense to go with the 625 kit. I have never been one to go for a max build.

For me its either i am going to keep my M3 long term, supercharger it or buy a whole new car. It sucks that so many new generation cars are not getting my interests.

[modkrazy]

Originally Posted by Ezio

Ya that makes sense to go with the 625 kit. I have never been one to go for a max build.

For me its either i am going to keep my M3 long term, supercharger it or buy a whole new car. It sucks that so many new generation cars are not getting my interests.

We are at the same crossroads. A blower calls for a BBK and probably some solid subframe/diff bushings and maybe bearings just to be on the safe side. Adds up to a good chunk of change. Add to trade-in value, and could get something new instead. Probably smarter financially. But would it be as special?