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I think I got it right (or at least within 10 kg). CarTest as seperate entries for the car weight and driver weight. So I basically use DIN in the vehicle weight dialog box.
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When you add the 0.3s for roll-on and comparing these readjusted figures to that of what the GT3 does then it makes them much more believable. The M3 GTS will reach 60mph in 4.1s, that's the same as the GT3 does to the 62.5mph mark which is expected given that it's lighter and has superior traction. It's will compare well to the GT3 but ultimately it will always come off second best, and that's no big deal because the Porsche is and will be always be the more expensive car. In the real world with better than average driving skills I reckon the BMW will be the quicker on track but in a truly gifted driver's hands the Porsche will be king. |
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That's fine that you guys are 'hedging your bets'...just in case it comes to the Canadian market. (a longshot, but more likely than the USA)
But be advised that dealers will take a deposit on ham sandwich, or an as-yet-to-be-named BMW hovercraft. It doesn't really MEAN anything. In other words, don't read too much into that...
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i think tossability is directly related to mass/weight
i was at the BMW performance driving school for the 1 day M school i got with my car a few weeks ago and i felt a huge difference between the M5/M6 and the M3 the M3 felt tossable the whole time i am diving the M5 i felt like there was all this mass with me when you flick the steering wheel you sense there is all this weight shifting from side to side on the M5 and i know my M3 E30 felt a lot more tossable than the E93 M3 but i think the price you pay for modern cars is better safety, more equipment, and less tossability i know the next M 1 series is def on my shopping list after my E92 M3 |
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Those models are ALL regular production cars...while this vehicle is a very limited-edition vehicle that has not been approved for sale in your country. In fact, there is no indication that will ever be sold there at all. This an entirely different situation... I've had three BMW Individual exterior color requests denied by BMWNA, on a production car already for sale in the United States. (with a deposit down payment on each) Never got any of those Individual cars, and that was just due to the exterior paint. Again, dealers will accept a deposit on anything under the sun. It does not represent proof of anything.
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I cannot - at least, no better than has already been done in subsequent posts in this string. The apparent willingness to change direction is the obvious answer, but to quantify it? The best I can come up with is that recent in-depth Motor Trend article that combined seat-of-the-pants evaluations with a number of carefully measured numeric parameters.
Weight and wheelbase are obvious parameters, so a Corolla is more tossable than a Camry - but of course both those cars suck in this type of evaluation. Polar moments are of course also critical, so classic Audi designs mean less tossability. Etc. Quote:
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However, I still do not get why this criteria would matter all that much on the street. I don't really care if a Corolla changes direction all that much faster than a Camry (or my Expedition) as I go about doing my daily driving, but maybe that's just me. Actually, that is one of the reasons I am considering selling my E92 now that I own a track car and don't plan to drive the E92 on the track all that much. I don't really know what to do with it during my daily commute. It sure is a nice car to have and appreciate, but I might put the money to better use in rebuilding my E30 and paying for the house I just bought.
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South, foot, don't get me wrong I am neither the least bit xenophobic nor nationalistic. Not one iota. Quite the oppostite in fact! All I meant was that the forum is based in the US, uses English and has a majority of American members. I greatly appreciate the diversity of folks and nationalities that choose to participate in this forum. Sorry if my comments sounded contrary to this. Cheers.
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What I was trying to convey in regard to the term "tossable" on the street bears no relation to actually tossing a car at the track. I was really referring to the how willing the car is to turn in and negotiate a corner at not more than eight tenths. Take a Cayman out on your favorite set of twisties, and compare it to your M3. Because of weight and polar moments, the Cayman will feel more willing to telepathically negotiate the twisty bits, although if you were flat out (as on a track), it wouldn't be any quicker, and in fact would be trickier as you explored the "How are you going to know where the edge is, if you don't step over it from time to time?" regions. Perhaps "tossable" is a poor word to describe a characteristic when rolling at eight-tenths on the street. "Willing" or perhaps "eager" might be better terms. Bruce PS - So you've become a true track rat? Way to go. Of course, it's clearly an affliction. |
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Tell that to my bank account. Let's see how much the 2.5L S14 rebuild runs me. I'll do it myself, but it will still cost a fortune. I just bought a set of EVO3 pistons...
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