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I just don't want you to expect your car is going to be as fast as M&M's. His car is a huge outlier. He has done a lot of custom work to get to that level. He may be at 650 HP. You will be at or under 550. Don't think you can trap anywhere near where he traps. If I were you, I would expect 116-117. That is very good. Again, with a 535 kit, + DCT + catless exhaust + meth, LostMarine is at 118 to 119 mph in the heat of the summer at ATCO and should be 120 when it cools down. LostMarine is a pretty good driver and ATCO is a great track.
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08-29-2012, 02:27 PM | #46 | |
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550 HP with basic bolt ons vs VF620 kit is not apples to apples. If you throw in larger turbos and intercooler upgrades and everything else that can be done to a Turbo motor you will likely easily be in the mid 600s for the F80 M3. |
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08-29-2012, 02:32 PM | #47 | |
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I think it's a pretty fair comparison since the E9x owners already own the car and for them to get the F80 they will have to drop 10-30k on top of their car to get the F80. So for that amount of money they can instead go with a VF620 kit and save 20k while still beating a stock F80 M3 easy and even a modded one. Most likely 550hp on the F80 would only be seen with down pipes, mid pipes, intercooler, air intake, methanol injection. Sure 600+ can be achieved with turbo upgrades but that will be pretty far away. |
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08-29-2012, 02:45 PM | #48 | |
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Pretty much 100% dead on with my thought process. It will definitely be far out for aftermarket products. I also own this car outright, so upgrading to the F80 is 30k right there. Plus 10k in the basic full exhaust wheels and drop mods = 40k min. |
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The VF620 kit can be had for about 13k so anyone thinking of upgrading from an E9x to F80 would save alot of money by just supercharging if power/performance was their main concern. |
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08-29-2012, 02:54 PM | #50 | |
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It's also weird that the best time I've seen a manual VT1 do was 12.9 and my stock manual M3 did 12.8! Anyway, for now I'll stick to my own calculation to make me an idea of what it will be because from my experience internet is not the most reliable source, but be sure I'll post some results as soon as I have some! |
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If my car was 2 years old or so, I'd be all over it, keep it for another 3-4 years then move to whatever is out or coming out then. |
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08-30-2012, 03:33 AM | #55 |
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Wait for the F80 M3. Being a turbo, it would be a lot easier to get more power out of it and yet maintain the usability of your 335i.
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That vette driver has so much control of his car until the end. He's really quick on the straights.
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Just test drove my buddy's 2012 GTR with a full exhaust, tune, and intake. I am absolutely speechless over that car, as where I once HATED the GTR (said it was a cheap nissan, no fun because of AWD, souless, etc...) I am in love with everything about it. Even though it is a bigger car, it is so nimble and does not feel its true weight at all - the car feels very planted and is very confidence inspiring and IMHO handles way better than my M3. The transmission is another plus, I personally think it is better than the DCT in my M3 as well. Maybe my DCT is shot from constant abuse and the power from the blower (extremely clunky at low rpm, and clunks on some downshifts and has delays), but the GTR transmission is a touch more responsive than the DCT in my car and is significantly less clunky. Another thing I loved was the torque - even though my M3 is faster from a roll, if I do not start at 5500rpm against the GTR from 45-50mph I will not pull on him. The GTR has torque everywhere, and honestly appeases my appetite for power way better than my M3 does (probably due to the M3 not having any power whatsoever under 5k rpm).
Only complaint is the noise in the cabin - you can hear everything outside, and the car does not feel as luxurious as the M3 on the interior (M3 is better insulated and smoother feeling on the interior, as where the GTR is more rough and noisy). In the end, for someone looking for a great performance platform the M3 does not compare to the GTR. Its amazing how my views of a car I absolutely despised changed after 5 minutes of driving it. If I were you I'd consider a GTR, it is most definitely a step up from a blown M3 (also another thing to consider is reliability - a blown M3 is going to be nowhere as reliable as a lightly modded GTR). I am keeping my eye on the 2013 GTR.... |
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DaFish, you could always go with an E46 M3 and add a VF570 or a comparable S/C system from European Supercharger Systems (ESS) or AA (Active Autowerke). There is also the HPF route in which I think Stage 1 would be enough. The only thing different would be that Akrapovic doesn't make an exhaust for the E46 M3, would be a used car (miles/condition varying), no signature V8 sound, no DCT if you don't prefer a manual, no warranty (though you'd lose it anyway with what you plan on doing to an E9X M3). Just a suggestion . . .
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09-15-2012, 11:29 PM | #61 | |
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I finally visited the drag strip with my VT1 and no other performance mods except for my Corsa exhaust, this run was my best trap of the day! Like I told you before, I expected 118-119mph traps with just the VT1 and that's what I did: one 119 and a lot of 118s so overhall I'm really happy with the kit but not more because of the numbers but mostly for the way my car behaves now, just so much more fun to drive!! Did I told you not to worry for me! But for real I really thought 116-117mph was kind of slow for a 550hp M3, but you almost made me doupt! As for the 125mph trap with a VT1 on a catless DCT, now that I've seen what my car is trapping, if the DCT is really that much faster, it just seems even more plausible! Last edited by Alex07M3; 09-15-2012 at 11:36 PM.. |
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09-16-2012, 09:03 AM | #62 |
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^^ wow great job Alex I'm glad i was wrong. Do you happen to know the density altitude at your track? What track did you run at? By the way LostMarine went back to ATCO recently with his 535 kit and changed to a progressive meth system and got 121.XX but it was a cool night there with the DA at negative 600. So DA's play a pretty big role but nonetheless that's a great trap with just an exhaust. Now let's just change that 12.9 to an 11.9
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My best run so far is 12.4 with a 60foot of 2.0 and a bad shift to 3rd(hit the cut-off of the 2nd), that day was hooking up but I did'nt had time to try better, there was just too many people and not enough time! Next year maybe cause it's kind of cold here now in Quebec, I don't think I'll have time for another fresh sunny day! |
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09-16-2012, 09:50 AM | #64 |
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You definitely had very good DA conditions. It's still hot most places in the states now...heck it was 100 deg F here yesterday. But nonetheless, that's still a great trap.
http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...t+Weather+Data
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In the first week I had my GT-R, tore out the entire interior, put sound insulation, vibration dampening, and FAA Aircraft certified heat insulation foil blankets. Total cost $180 and only added 40lbs to the car. Was a fun project. Considering it is now quieter than my 7 series. In fact, it is so quiet inside I basically have a straight pipe exhaust and I don't think the car is loud enough. You have to be outside the car and then the "holy shit that is loud" hits you.
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I'd hands down go with the 991 despite your power needs. That is a seriously good car
Plus VF "should" be developing an S/C for it i'd presume. Having a 500-600hp 991 with instant response would be a serious handful,especially considering they run low low 12's stock. Not to mention Porsche's are great in the snow. The GTR and CTS-V are awesome but at a cost to comfort and amenities IMO. The GTR doesn't appeal to me for a daily driver and the CTS-V doesn't cut it for me when it boils down to the interior and the fun to drive factor..The sensation of speed just isn't there compared to the others @4300-4000lbs with the driver
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