Blown motors, Rod Bearing failure S65 Registry.

[L4ces]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Who ?

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Who ?

I was thinking that for the better or worse, Facebook exposure might get more attention.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by L4ces

I was thinking that for the better or worse, Facebook exposure might get more attention.

No matter where the S65 bearings steal the show !

[Helmsman]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

No matter where the S65 bearings steal the show !

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[///M Power-Belgium]

*zeemy* for the list => # 314 http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...3#post22471703

[///M Power-Belgium]

*nrubenstein* for the list => http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1446118

[aus]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

*nrubenstein* for the list => http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1446118

Thanks bud. I'm going to wait and see what happens. Hopefully he'll open the bottom end and see if it's the bearings or he did a money shift and doesn't ant to state that on an open forum.
I really appreciate you keeping an eye out for blown engines!
Thanks.
.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by aus

Thanks bud. I'm going to wait and see what happens. Hopefully he'll open the bottom end and see if it's the bearings or he did a money shift and doesn't ant to state that on an open forum.
I really appreciate you keeping an eye out for blown engines!
Thanks.
.

OK my friend , no problem ..
Of course we are hoping the best for him.

[Inflame]

Add another to the list, my bosses 2011 competition package with 46k miles had the rod bearings go about 2-3 months ago, just got the car back a month ago.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by aus

Thanks bud. I'm going to wait and see what happens. Hopefully he'll open the bottom end and see if it's the bearings or he did a money shift and doesn't ant to state that on an open forum.
I really appreciate you keeping an eye out for blown engines!
Thanks.
.

Nick has been a very open person on the forums for over a decade. If he says he didn't money shift, I have 100% confidence he didn't money shift.

[pbonsalb]

Would one of the tuners here be able to explain how the recorded engine speed function works—is there a date or mileage associated with it? If the OP can prove to the used car dealer that he was not responsible since it did not happen in the last 23 miles or the last week, the dealer may cover it since that is what it was originally offering to do.

Legally, it may be that if the used car dealer bought with no knowledge of an issue and sold the car as is with no warranty, it is not responsible and the OP is stuck with an expensively unfortunate purchase, but I have not looked at the GA equivalent of the lemon law (the OP said there is none). We know bmw is not going to do anything for an out of warranty car, especially now that there is a lawsuit against it alleging that BMW is at fault for engine failures.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Would one of the tuners here be able to explain how the recorded engine speed function works—is there a date or mileage associated with it? If the OP can prove to the used car dealer that he was not responsible since it did not happen in the last 23 miles or the last week, the dealer may cover it since that is what it was originally offering to do.

Legally, it may be that if the used car dealer bought with no knowledge of an issue and sold the car as is with no warranty, it is not responsible and the OP is stuck with an expensively unfortunate purchase, but I have not looked at the GA equivalent of the lemon law (the OP said there is none). We know bmw is not going to do anything for an out of warranty car, especially now that there is a lawsuit against it alleging that BMW is at fault for engine failures.

Way back when the E46 M3 was in the middle of chewing rod bearings right and left, Jim Conforti evaluated the source code to find out exactly what the E46 M3 DME was storing (since BMWNA wasn't being honest about "over-revs" with customers along with blaming them initially for the E46 M3 rod bearing failures). I would think that the E9x M3 DME stores more data, but I've not ever seen the details posted. Perhaps someone with knowledge can chime in.

Back then dealers were telling owners that their cars reached say 8200rpms and "stayed there" for x-seconds. Many were accused of mechanical over-revs. In fact, just revving the engine to the 8k redline would start the timer adding to the TNMAX variable; so every time someone "normally" drove the car through the gears, a bit of TNMAX time accumulated (time spent between 7800-8000). It was then misrepresented to the owner in an attempt to put blame on them. It also turned out that revving over the 8k limit a bit was possible also during normal rev limiter operation. The BMWNA tactic of blaming customers for money-shift-over-revs all fell apart when SMG cars were blowing up in same quantities.

In any event, here is the post from Roadfly by Jim way back then -- reiterating that this post is specific to the E46 M3:

Guys,

With all these engines blowing up, I think you need to know HOW
the revlimit telltale works.. three main things are recorded

1) Max Vehicle Speed in km/h

2) Max Engine RPM in rpms

3) Max TIME the engine has spent OVER 7800 RPMS

It seems as if the TNMAX variable is being misrepresented by
a few people out there as the time in seconds that the engine
was at the absolute max RPMS.. and that is BS!

Please pass this around to the brothers who are having problems.

Oh, and if anyone tries to argue this, here's the SOURCE CODE

seg000:00019C5A move.w (N_IST).l,d0
seg000:00019C60 cmp.w ($49D2A).l,d0
seg000:00019C66 bls.s loc_0_19C86
seg000:00019C68 move.b (ENGINE_STATUS).l,d0
seg000:00019C6E andi.b #$1C,d0
seg000:00019C72 beq.s loc_0_19C86
seg000:00019C74 moveq #$64,d0 ; 'd'
seg000:00019C76 add.l d0,(T_NMAX).l

At $49D2A is $1E78 which is 7800 rpms

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Would one of the tuners here be able to explain how the recorded engine speed function works—is there a date or mileage associated with it? If the OP can prove to the used car dealer that he was not responsible since it did not happen in the last 23 miles or the last week, the dealer may cover it since that is what it was originally offering to do.

Legally, it may be that if the used car dealer bought with no knowledge of an issue and sold the car as is with no warranty, it is not responsible and the OP is stuck with an expensively unfortunate purchase, but I have not looked at the GA equivalent of the lemon law (the OP said there is none). We know bmw is not going to do anything for an out of warranty car, especially now that there is a lawsuit against it alleging that BMW is at fault for engine failures.

And....If the crank and the journals are not damaged.
From his story , I don't have much hope for his S65 ...

[Su37su]

I didn't know if I should start a new thread or use this one.
I have two videos that I will like to share and I need help Identifying ticking noise.
The sound is audible when warm but not so when cold. I believe the sound is coming from the passenger side (the curb amplified the sound).

The first video is a warm engine
the second video is a cold engine.
The noise is slightly louder than in the video.

I plan on replacing my rod bearings at 60k (41k currently).

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Su37su

I didn't know if I should start a new thread or use this one.
I have two videos that I will like to share and I need help Identifying ticking noise.
The sound is audible when warm but not so when cold. I believe the sound is coming from the passenger side (the curb amplified the sound).

The first video is a warm engine
the second video is a cold engine.
The noise is slightly louder than in the video.

I plan on replacing my rod bearings at 60k (41k currently).

In cabin for S65 ticking noises ?
I'm sorry but your videos are worthless !
You should post a new video..

1- Warm up your S65.
2- Keep your cam close to the driver side front wheel .
3- Rev. your S65 *slowly* up to 3K rpm's.
4- Repait 3X .

Let me know...

[///M Power-Belgium]

*YoshiBolo* for the list #31 => http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...1446266&page=2

[Su37su]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

In cabin for S65 ticking noises ?
I'm sorry but your videos are worthless !
You should post a new video..

1- Warm up your S65.
2- Keep your cam close to the driver side front wheel .
3- Rev. your S65 *slowly* up to 3K rpm's.
4- Repait 3X .

Let me know...

I'll do that this weekend.

[spazzyfry123]

May not be the right thread for it, but this seems to be the most comprehensive area for the subject.

Has anyone noticed a correlation with oil temperatures and bearing failure? As an example, the oil temperatures began to rise and then *pop*.

Not saying that mine are fine (I've already purchased BE's as preventative maintenance and waiting for them to arrive, however), but I've noticed that my oil temps are always lower than anyone else I talk to. Most seem to be 210*+ constantly whereas mine never seems to even reach 210*. Of course I'm going off of the inaccurate needle on the dash, but I'm assuming I'm somewhere around 190-ish once I'm up to temp.

[last1left]

Originally Posted by spazzyfry123

May not be the right thread for it, but this seems to be the most comprehensive area for the subject.

Has anyone noticed a correlation with oil temperatures and bearing failure? As an example, the oil temperatures began to rise and then *pop*.

Not saying that mine are fine (I've already purchased BE's as preventative maintenance and waiting for them to arrive, however), but I've noticed that my oil temps are always lower than anyone else I talk to. Most seem to be 210*+ constantly whereas mine never seems to even reach 210*. Of course I'm going off of the inaccurate needle on the dash, but I'm assuming I'm somewhere around 190-ish once I'm up to temp.

My oil temp gauge is low like yours

[spazzyfry123]

Originally Posted by last1left

My oil temp gauge is low like yours

Have you had any bearing issues? Have you changed yours out and now your temps are lower?

[last1left]

Originally Posted by spazzyfry123

Have you had any bearing issues? Have you changed yours out and now your temps are lower?

No bearing issues my car runs smooth I haven't changed my bearing's my 08 was the same way low oil temperature all the time like yours.

[Su37su]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

In cabin for S65 ticking noises ?
I'm sorry but your videos are worthless !
You should post a new video..

1- Warm up your S65.
2- Keep your cam close to the driver side front wheel .
3- Rev. your S65 *slowly* up to 3K rpm's.
4- Repait 3X .

Let me know...

here is a new video

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Su37su

here is a new video

This video is perfect for me . Your S65 sounds good !
Enjoy your car