M3 or 1M

[bdaddylo]

Originally Posted by checkmate

Let's see how many 1M owners will keep their cars after their warranty runs out. We will then have a separate forum for HPFP issues alone. Should be interesting to see those 1M values then especially for folks who paid over MSRP.

I'll bet you that the depreciation will less than your M3 and the cost to maintain it after the warranty will be half of the M3.

[Blessed1]

Get the 1M and don't look back.

[VO695]

Great thread.

Here is my perspective if anyone is interested.

My daily driver is a 2012 750i with an M package. Love that car!

I was lucky enough to acquire a VO 1M loaded with every option about 3 weeks ago. This is my new weekend car. I have owned many cars including 5 Porsche's. The car that I traded for the 1M was an 09 911S with a PDK trans. The 911S is a pretty fast car, handles well but IMHO is not as much fun as the 1M to drive. Do I miss the 911? NO! I find that even though the 1M isn't as fast it has more usable power for driving on the street. You can dart in and out of traffic without dropping any gears. Love the torque, the handling and just the BMWness it has. There is something about BMW's that to me no other car manufacturer has been able to copy yet.

Now as far as the M3 is concerned, my son has a new one with the DCT auto and I have driven it several times. Fantastic car but I like the 1M better because of the torque and of course the 6 speed manual trans. After all I am just an old gear head from the 60's.

Just my two cents.

[1SerieStud]

Originally Posted by VO695

Great thread.

Here is my perspective if anyone is interested.

My daily driver is a 2012 750i with an M package. Love that car!

I was lucky enough to acquire a VO 1M loaded with every option about 3 weeks ago. This is my new weekend car. I have owned many cars including 5 Porsche's. The car that I traded for the 1M was an 09 911S with a PDK trans. The 911S is a pretty fast car, handles well but IMHO is not as much fun as the 1M to drive. Do I miss the 911? NO! I find that even though the 1M isn't as fast it has more usable power for driving on the street. You can dart in and out of traffic without dropping any gears. Love the torque, the handling and just the BMWness it has. There is something about BMW's that to me no other car manufacturer has been able to copy yet.

Now as far as the M3 is concerned, my son has a new one with the DCT auto and I have driven it several times. Fantastic car but I like the 1M better because of the torque and of course the 6 speed manual trans. After all I am just an old gear head from the 60's.

Just my two cents.

At 28 years of age I couldn't agree with you more...so no, it's not a thing of the past Happy motoring!

[MEHP]

If the M3 is so perfectly sorted, why does every single one being tracked have additional coolers? But ok, those who write that might never get to drive their car on a proper track. Nordschleife should be a name for you.

The 1M is definitely as fast as a standard M3 on good ol' Green Hell. BUT: I would take the M3 for it's more lineal power delivery. The 1M kicks your ass instantly what makes it a more stressful ride at the limits. And stress is what you won't need on Nordschleife.

But again, the weight is a big thing in this comparison: standard brakes are OK in the 1M but you need to change cooling or some of the hardware for usage in the M3. Or you rip everything out of the car that belongs to the interior. In fact, the M3 can never reach the 1M when it comes to agility. That leads to the case that the M3 is easier to drive quick than the 1M is.

Why can't you just argue with some pros and cons and come to the end that both cars are amazing in their own way?

My 2 cents

[klammer]

Originally Posted by MEHP

If the M3 is so perfectly sorted, why does every single one being tracked have additional coolers? But ok, those who write that might never get to drive their car on a proper track. Nordschleife should be a name for you.

The 1M is definitely as fast as a standard M3 on good ol' Green Hell. BUT: I would take the M3 for it's more lineal power delivery. The 1M kicks your ass instantly what makes it a more stressful ride at the limits. And stress is what you won't need on Nordschleife.

But again, the weight is a big thing in this comparison: standard brakes are OK in the 1M but you need to change cooling or some of the hardware for usage in the M3. Or you rip everything out of the car that belongs to the interior. In fact, the M3 can never reach the 1M when it comes to agility. That leads to the case that the M3 is easier to drive quick than the 1M is.

Why can't you just argue with some pros and cons and come to the end that both cars are amazing in their own way?

My 2 cents

Additional cooling???? As far as I know there's maybe 2 or 3 that have extra cooling and I'm one of them. Misleading statement to say the least.

[MEHP]

Usually the first mod at the Nürburgring. I don't know anyone there driving the M3 really fast who has no additional cooling. And they all installed it after having issues with temperatures.
Don't get me wrong, I love the M3 and I'd always take it for the track (and hopefully will next year).

[Ateam]

Originally Posted by klammer

Additional cooling???? As far as I know there's maybe 2 or 3 that have extra cooling and I'm one of them. Misleading statement to say the least.

I think he has it flipped, if anything the 1m will need extra cooling as there are several reports of limp mode on the track and I have never heard of a m3 having overheating problem on the track or anywhere else.

I also do not comprehend a word of that post above so who knows what he is smokin

[MEHP]

Originally Posted by Ateam

I think he has it flipped, if anything the 1m will need extra cooling as there are several reports of limp mode on the track and I have never heard of a m3 having overheating problem on the track or anywhere else.

I also do not comprehend a word of that post above so who knows what he is smokin

Maybe it's just a problem on the 'Ring, I don't know. But I know many M3-drivers lapping Nordschleife under 8:20mins who had problems with the temperature.

If there are issues with the language, I'm sorry, then please tell me what exactly might be hard to understand and I'll try to do better.

[Ateam]

Originally Posted by MEHP

Maybe it's just a problem on the 'Ring, I don't know. But I know many M3-drivers lapping Nordschleife under 8:20mins who had problems with the temperature.

If there are issues with the language, I'm sorry, then please tell me what exactly might be hard to understand and I'll try to do better.

Not saying you are wrong as you would know much better than I would but atleast on these boards I cannot remember one story of anyone overheating, let alone calling this a common problem? But I do not know anything about the ring or much about racing/tracking in general.

1M looks like vomit. That is more than enough to steer me clear

[IFX]

Originally Posted by Ateam

Not saying you are wrong as you would know much better than I would but atleast on these boards I cannot remember one story of anyone overheating, let alone calling this a common problem? But I do not know anything about the ring or much about racing/tracking in general.

1M looks like vomit. That is more than enough to steer me clear

lol. finally.

[MEHP]

Originally Posted by Ateam

Not saying you are wrong as you would know much better than I would but atleast on these boards I cannot remember one story of anyone overheating, let alone calling this a common problem? But I do not know anything about the ring or much about racing/tracking in general.

1M looks like vomit. That is more than enough to steer me clear

That's something I can live with. That's how I think about black cars because you can't see any details anymore and they just look boring. Taste is nothing to have an argument about.

I just did not understand why the argument some post before was about the 1M being a bad car and the M3 being perfect.

[Ateam]

Originally Posted by MEHP

That's something I can live with. That's how I think about black cars because you can't see any details anymore and they just look boring. Taste is nothing to have an argument about.

I just did not understand why the argument some post before was about the 1M being a bad car and the M3 being perfect.

Its probably faster than the m3 in every respect but to me if it looks like piss, and smells like piss, it is just piss. The 1m is piss

[1SerieStud]

Originally Posted by Ateam

Its probably faster than the m3 in every respect but to me if it looks like piss, and smells like piss, it is just piss. The 1m is piss

I just looked and smelled mine...looks amazing and smells new dang I love my car!

[1SerieStud]

Originally Posted by Ateam

I think he has it flipped, if anything the 1m will need extra cooling as there are several reports of limp mode on the track and I have never heard of a m3 having overheating problem on the track or anywhere else.

I also do not comprehend a word of that post above so who knows what he is smokin

You may want to get your facts straight, regardless of your M3 fanboy status. You prefer your M3 over a 1M and that's all great, it's a matter of choice, but the limp mode you speak of has not been an issue since the introductory 2007 335i, which lacked an oil cooler and was recalled.

The 1M on the other hand has more cooling cores than 2 M3's combined and there are 0 reports of overheating/limp mode during high performance track sessions.

[MEHP]

Originally Posted by Ateam

Its probably faster than the m3 in every respect but to me if it looks like piss, and smells like piss, it is just piss. The 1m is piss

Faster? No. On the same level with a good driver. If you like it, ok. You were not the one telling it was bad on track.

Originally Posted by 1SerieStud

You may want to get your facts straight, regardless of your M3 fanboy status. You prefer your M3 over a 1M and that's all great, it's a matter of choice, but the limp mode you speak of has not been an issue since the introductory 2007 335i, which lacked an oil cooler and was recalled.

The 1M on the other hand has more cooling cores than 2 M3's combined and there are 0 reports of overheating/limp mode during high performance track sessions.

I think there could be some problems as well. I don't know anyone who did longruns with it. After a couple of laps there were no issues but that says nothing. That's to be seen on hot days 2012.

Again, none of the cars is really better. Both offer great packages.

[1SerieStud]

Originally Posted by MEHP

Faster? No. On the same level with a good driver. If you like it, ok. You were not the one telling it was bad on track.



I think there could be some problems as well. I don't know anyone who did longruns with it. After a couple of laps there were no issues but that says nothing. That's to be seen on hot days 2012.

Again, none of the cars is really better. Both offer great packages.

I see you are in Germany. Not sure how often you are on these forums or how much you read on the 1M section, but there are already dedicated track cars that have endured 100+ F degree weather without issues.

[MEHP]

Originally Posted by 1SerieStud

I see you are in Germany. Not sure how often you are on these forums or how much you read on the 1M section, but there are already dedicated track cars that have endured 100+ F degree weather without issues.

I read the same about the M3 some posts above.
Dunno, will see next year after a day driving Nordschleife, I think. Got the car too late to try it.

[mdosu]

i've never driven the 1M, and love the concept of the car. But i think if I ever got the 1M, I would always regret not buying the M3. With the M3, I never even think I want to switch to the 1M. Of course, my mind can be changed if a 1M owner will kindly lend me your car for spin to change my mind.

[MEHP]

Originally Posted by mdosu

i've never driven the 1M, and love the concept of the car. But i think if I ever got the 1M, I would always regret not buying the M3. With the M3, I never even think I want to switch to the 1M. Of course, my mind can be changed if a 1M owner will kindly lend me your car for spin to change my mind.

Depends on what a driver you are, I think. If that should all go well and I can buy a used M3, I maybe never switch to the 1M again. For tracking, I'd rather take the M3 though. I am no turbo-fan at all. But maybe all my thoughts change when I track the 1M finally. So glad, my dad lends me his for that.

[Ateam]

Originally Posted by 1SerieStud

You may want to get your facts straight, regardless of your M3 fanboy status. You prefer your M3 over a 1M and that's all great, it's a matter of choice, but the limp mode you speak of has not been an issue since the introductory 2007 335i, which lacked an oil cooler and was recalled.

The 1M on the other hand has more cooling cores than 2 M3's combined and there are 0 reports of overheating/limp mode during high performance track sessions.

Who cares if it has 10 extra oil coolers than the m3, with FI you need them and NA you do not need nearly as much as you do not produce nearly the heat. But thanks for playing. Limp limp limp the 1m said on his way home (while still smelling like piss)

Did I mention it looks like a total chicks car!

[MEHP]

Originally Posted by Ateam

Who cares if it has 10 extra oil coolers than the m3, with FI you need them and NA you do not need nearly as much as you do not produce nearly the heat.

Agree. The turbos produce really heavy amounts of heat. That's why I think there would be problems as well. But that's usual.

Limp limp limp the 1m said on his way home

Don't agree with that. It's still a car from M GmbH. That would be more than embarrassing for them.