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09-04-2009, 02:47 PM | #1 |
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wheels & tires for under $3000, any recommendations?
Only mod I've done on my previous cars until now is lowering springs and tint. For my e93 m3, I am thinking about getting a new set of wheels. I wouldn't have thought about changing 'em if I had oem 19s but I have oem 18s and they look very ugly and it's a b*tch to clean. So I'll sell those ugly wheels and buy a new set.
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09-04-2009, 03:23 PM | #2 |
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Cheap but good tires + TPMS will run you 1k. Then you have 2k for wheels. You can get brand new set of CH with that. (good wheels + cheap tire combo) Opt 2: You can buy great tires +TPMS for about 1800, then buy cheap but good (enough) wheels like VMR V710 or V713. (great tire + good enough wheel combo) Opt 3: Wait a bit till you find a good local OEM 19 FS thread. OEM 19s are forged and lighter than your OEM 18s. And most likely it will come with great tires (PS2). That would be win win if you asked me. I went with option 3. Final cost? About 400 total. Bought under 3k miles OEM 19s for 1800. Sold my under 3k miles OEM 18s for 1500 (but gas: 50, paypal fee and etc: 65)
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If you like stock 19s, a pristine set (there's at least one for sale right now) for $1,600 to $1,800 would be your best bet by far. And I'm talking both form and function: they're beautiful while being light and strong. Anything comparable in weight/strength will set you back 2 to 3 times that on wheels alone.
Unless you have a big ego that demands you have a different car than everybody else, I'd find ways to individualize your car other than wheels/tires. Take care man. |
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I love how the OEM 18s look, but that's just me
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For the OP, I'd consider the OEM 19's and get them painted/powerder coated black. It looks really good, or maybe pick up a set of used wheels here. If you could go to $4000 with wheels/tires, then you'd be talking about some nicer wheels.
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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09-06-2009, 09:27 PM | #13 |
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I, too, would like to hear about this Forgestar issue. I assume you guys have experienced it with 19" wheels, since their 18" wheels aren't available yet. This concerns me because I bought a set of 18" F14s strictly for track use, but am waiting for them to be delivered. Those of you claiming they weaken the wheels, have you actually broken a wheel? If not, how do you know the wheel is jeopardized?
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I find it funny though how many people on these forums talk about lower priced wheels like forgestars getting bent. I know 2 guys that have bent HREs. One was a $10K custom set for a 997turbo, and he bent both rear wheels! Lesson learned, lightweight isn't always good for the street, regardless of how much you pay, forged included. On the track, lightweight is key, however, you're probably abusing your wheels less on the track than you are in city driving. Im no expert here, but I'd assume this as tracks are typically quite smooth...unless you make it a habit to run off the track regularily...in which case your wheels might be the least of your concerns... |
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09-07-2009, 07:23 AM | #15 |
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I too believe rough highways and city streets (LA) cause much more stress on the wheels as far as one cracking/bending. I have the lightweight Advan RS (about 3-4lbs lighter than stock per wheel) and so far no signs of damage and I've driven on some very rough roads.
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To the last two posters (kmac1980 and MrHarris), thank you for your replies. However, you're mistaken if you think potholes cause anywhere near the stress as track driving. In fact, it's a different kind of stress altogether. The problems you refer to are indications that the rim itslef (outer portion of wheel) is weak. But the claim made above about Forgestar is that they machine too much material off the hub. If this is true, it could spell disaster if a wheel breaks there (you could total your car or yourself!) A wheel breaking at a spoke or hub under cornering loads can instantly break apart. At a minimum, you're looking at damage to the brake components, suspension arm and strut, spring, wheel well liner, and likely fender. This is the scary part of going with a new product from a new company. The sellers of these wheels claim they "make great track wheels", however, that claim is simply unfounded becasue it's never been tested (the wheels haven't even been produced yet). Being one of the first customers, I am essentially becoming a tester. Having learned of problems with the 19" versions, I am now concerned about the 18" versions I ordered. This is why I'd like to hear from those above who claim too much material is shaved off the hub. How do you know? What problems have you seen as a result? I'm not interested in bent rims due to potholes... that is not a concern to me. Like kmac18980 said, tracks are generally smooth. It is common to put a wheel or two off when driving on the limit, but it's expected that performance wheels and tires can take it (this is where the resistance to bumps and potholes might come into play).
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Really? so running two wheels off the track is worse than hitting a defined lip pothole in ashphalt (or worse, concrete) at 30mph in the city? I mean I suppose heat is a factor on the track from the brakes? I can understand i you're reffering to running into a wall or something, but i'd think the wheels would be the least of your concerns... I suppose on the track you get a lot more lateral forces exposed to the wheel center, as opposed to vertical forces on the street, i just didn't think they would compare, I mean even if your car pulls 1.1Gs on the skidpad, that wouldnt nearly equate to the weight of your car, plus forward momentum plowing into a pothole. I suppose it's possible though that wheel centers are much strong against their vertical forces than lateral ones?
All I know is I have 2 friends that have bent very expensive wheels in the city, but their dedicated track setup has never experienced any issues. Keep in mind, I was all along reffering to the wheel barrells, not the centers. I agree it would be scary to know that your wheel centers woudlnt hold up, but like I mentioned before, i havent heard of anyone that has sheared/crack the spokes on their wheel! (which the issue of "shaving" the wheel center pertains to) I think my point as more to do with that even very expensive wheel manufacturer's products aren't immune to damage (wheel barrells), even some of the manufacturer's that are highly praised on this forum... Quote:
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Now suppose I'm taking a corner at 1.1g (like you described above) and 90mph. That's 1090x1.1 = 1199 pounds of force on each outside wheel, and at an angle that more stressful to the hub. Now say I put a wheel off and hit a bump while doing so. Imagine the blunt force the wheel is subject to at that moment, going 90mph, pulling 1.1g, then hitting a bump. If the hub can't take it, it's game over. if the rim bends and the tire loses air, there's a good chance I'll be able save it and limp it back to the pits. Quote:
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Well said, I agree with you on all points...
However, have you seen (first hand) wheel centers fail catastrophically? That seems like a gross error of design/engineering that should be caught by a regulating body.. (DOT? who regulates manufacturers of wheels?) Quote:
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Yes, numerous times. In the 90's on a c4 Vette, same guy years later in a TT Supra, another time with a 1994 RX-7, and those were just track days. That doesn't count the times I've seen it happen at professional races. It seems to happen most in heavier cars, which our E9x M3s are! Unfortunately, I've never heard of a regulation for wheel construction in particular. It's just the competition and reputation that keeps them good enough. However, there are regulations for manufacturing processes, which might help (kind of like how the FDA regulates the food and drug industries... every now and then, some deseased or tainted consumables get through the cracks - mad cow disease, hepatitus, salmonella, etc.)
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