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      06-23-2008, 09:06 PM   #1
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Lets talk DCT in reverse gear

I think I put the old SMG in the automatic mode twice in 5 1/2 years. The DCT seems to always behave like an auto in R, meaning it starts to roll without any gas. This is different than the SMG. I would prefer the car not do this. Any thoughts.
Also quickly, how do I get the key to remember to stay in S4 not S3?
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Also quickly, how do I get the key to remember to stay in S4 not S3?
US specs car default to S3 and from previous post, it seems that the car key cannot store that setting. I hope and wish that I am wrong.
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US specs car default to S3 and from previous post, it seems that the car key cannot store that setting. I hope and wish that I am wrong.
yeah, bmw really blew it with key memory. it can't store the drive program and it can't store the M button. WTF mate?
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yeah, bmw really blew it with key memory. it can't store the drive program and it can't store the M button. WTF mate?
I thought that Euro specs can store those settings!
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I think I put the old SMG in the automatic mode twice in 5 1/2 years. The DCT seems to always behave like an auto in R, meaning it starts to roll without any gas. This is different than the SMG. I would prefer the car not do this. Any thoughts.
Also quickly, how do I get the key to remember to stay in S4 not S3?
Can you please expand on your comment about the car rolling in R without any gas. Are you on level ground or on a slope at this point? If on a slope, in R the car will roll downhill either direction as if it was in neutral (as long as you don't touch the gas). If you're on level ground the only way the car should roll backward is if you slightly (even ever so slightly) depress the accelerator as this will activate the low speed assist. Stopping the car completely should deactivate the assist until you again touch the accelerator.

Example, my driveway has a very slight incline from the house to the street. If my car is in the driveway and I go to back out, I can put it in reverse and if I don't touch the accelerator it will roll toward the street the same as if I had left the car in neutral. However with the car in reverse and I touch the accelerator briefly (a small quick tap), it will back toward the street slightly faster as the low speed assist slips the clutch in reverse and powers the car backward.
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This topic has been discussed quite a few times. The car always defaults to S3 then when you switch to D is remembers your last used D setting. As far as memory goes some things are stored on the key others not.

Power (Throttle map)
EDC
Shift lights

Are stored on the key

Drivelogic mode
D or S
DSC
Servotronic (steering boost)

Are not stored on the key

It sucks, poor decision. A nice workaround would have been making the M button toggle through 3 different settings and have all M functions stored to the key as well.
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I thought that Euro specs can store those settings!
I don't think so.

It seems as though only the settings that are available on the center console buttons are assignable to the key, minus DSC for safety reasons. That is to say, just Power and EDC. M-DCT and Steering (and DSC) must be set via M-Drive. In fact, I am not even sure that Sport-Plus Power can be set to the key, it might just be Sport or Normal only.

This makes some bit of sense. It means that the key-assignable settings are completely independent from whether the car is equipped with MDrive (ZTP), thus making things easier to develop and test. This is, of course, all just software and could be fixed or changed at a later date. In fact, theoretically, it seems that both MDrive and non-MDrive cars alike could be given complete customizability of all adjustable settings via this interface. Though this would probably diminish the value (be it perceived or otherwise) or the MDrive system. After all, many (if not most) people seem to hit their M Button each time they get in the car. But, if those settings were able to be programmed to the key, then the M Button's use suddenly becomes much less frequent and thus its presence a bit more superfluous. And then perhaps fewer people would equip ZTP. Of course, it would still be nice to have the M Button if for no other reason then to go from S5 and MDM into S6 and DSC-off mode for using LC or track use.
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A small software tweak would be nice here... c'mon BMW.
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I've used my M button maybe 8 times in the 2 months I've owned the car.
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I think it was the assist. I must have been on a down slope and barely touched the gas, which got the car rolling. The car gets going much more easily in R than in 1st.
Regarding the memory, the old car stayed in the last shift speed setting. May have to speak with the dealer about this. Also have to read the book, but have been working too much.
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I think I put the old SMG in the automatic mode twice in 5 1/2 years. The DCT seems to always behave like an auto in R, meaning it starts to roll without any gas. This is different than the SMG. I would prefer the car not do this. Any thoughts.
Also quickly, how do I get the key to remember to stay in S4 not S3?

If you don't want the car to go in reverse, than don't put it in reverse. Either that or use the brake pedal.

I don't see this as an issue whatsoever
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If you don't want the car to go in reverse, than don't put it in reverse. Either that or use the brake pedal.

I don't see this as an issue whatsoever
You are missing the point. The car seemed to be behaving like an automatic not a manual. In other words, rolling without stepping on the gas. It was probably the assist, which was not present on the E46, that made it seem like that.
Regarding your statement "If you don't want the car to go in reverse, than don't put it in reverse" , you are stupid. It should read "thEn don't put it in reverse. See the difference, d-bag.
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Mine seems to act more like a manual in that it won't start moving backwards in reverse unless you press the gas. A light tap will put it into creep mode in reverse (until you come to a dead stop, similar to 1st gear).
Does the DCT have hill assist like the manual tranny?
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I think I put the old SMG in the automatic mode twice in 5 1/2 years. The DCT seems to always behave like an auto in R, meaning it starts to roll without any gas. This is different than the SMG. I would prefer the car not do this. Any thoughts.
Also quickly, how do I get the key to remember to stay in S4 not S3?
trade it in for a manual. DCT is not a manual wannabe, SMG might have been to some extent
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trade it in for a manual. DCT is not a manual wannabe, SMG might have been to some extent
I probably only have about 50 miles on the car, but the DCT is really great. I took someone for a ride today and tried D mode. The shifts were imperceptible but I still probably will not ever use D. I don't think I can ever go back to using a clutch pedal.
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I probably only have about 50 miles on the car, but the DCT is really great. I took someone for a ride today and tried D mode. The shifts were imperceptible but I still probably will not ever use D. I don't think I can ever go back to using a clutch pedal.
broke my heart but hey i had to try

yah they did an awesome job with SMG making it "feel" like a manual car that anything that comes on M3 is expected to have at least some characteristics of a manual car. treat it as DCT, not as an improvement from SMG
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You are missing the point. The car seemed to be behaving like an automatic not a manual. In other words, rolling without stepping on the gas. It was probably the assist, which was not present on the E46, that made it seem like that.
Regarding your statement "If you don't want the car to go in reverse, than don't put it in reverse" , you are stupid. It should read "thEn don't put it in reverse. See the difference, d-bag.
I know the difference between then and than, but I'm glad to see that making a simple typo makes you so much better than me. Congrats. I realize that my response was sarcastic, however, I didn't, nor will I, go down to your level and respond to you insults.

You are missing the point. The DCT is an automated manual and as a result, some of it characteristics are meant to resemble a manual, if you prefer it no do this then get the 6mt.

As for the default S4 vs S3, a simple would have found the answer.
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