My M3 slid sideways with traction control on

Z K · 11-24-2012, 05:16 PM

I'm not saying traction control is a bad thing. It will save you in emergency situations and extreme conditions... But I do believe people are too reliant on technology to save them from what people learned to do without before.

Sleeper519 · 11-24-2012, 05:26 PM

OP, even DSC can't overcome the laws of physics.

Danfordman · 11-24-2012, 07:05 PM

Owners manual says DTC is always ON , so when I push DTC button and DTC light is on does it mean i have turned OFF my DTC?

BPMSport · 11-24-2012, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by danbimmerman

Owners manual says DTC is always ON , so when I push DTC button and DTC light is on does it mean i have turned OFF my DTC?

DTC is on 335's, we have MDM, not DTC.

Tomislav · 11-24-2012, 07:18 PM

slided?

Crimson92 · 11-24-2012, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomislav

slided?

Thank you!!!!!

surlynkid · 11-24-2012, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Crimson92

Thank you!!!!!

+1

kept waiting for that. imagine if he actually slid.

GrussGott · 11-24-2012, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mdyaman

The answer is in your question

giving a V8 powered car some gas, going around a turn, with little tread left on rear tires. Perhaps couple that with road condition.

hmm....

GrussGott · 11-24-2012, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by danbimmerman

Owners manual says DTC is always ON , so when I push DTC button and DTC light is on does it mean i have turned OFF my DTC?

Amri215 · 11-24-2012, 09:54 PM

What the heck is going on here?

the_road_less_traveled · 11-24-2012, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by immiketoo

Clearly, you've never driven any of the 60's muscle cars. Crazy power, shit handling/traction.

Im thinking the same thing as I read his post. Late 60's and early 70's big blocks made ridiculous torque and many claim made way more power than published.

PhillyNate · 11-24-2012, 10:21 PM

I personally drive with the nannies on because even though I've been driving cars without traction control/DSC for over 20 years all have been front wheel drive with the exception of one. That one car just happened to be a V8 but nowhere near as powerful as this M3. I can drive but am not the Stig and would love to keep enjoying the car at the limit of my ability and common sense. I'm reasonably confident I'd catch most mistakes with DSC defeated but what if I don't. I like to drive spirited like everyone else but we're all on public roads.

S65NAPWR · 11-24-2012, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by danbimmerman

Owners manual says DTC is always ON , so when I push DTC button and DTC light is on does it mean i have turned OFF my DTC?

wtf eli sunday...

jstnelson2006 · 11-25-2012, 12:03 AM

Tires break loose very easily when you are going around a turn. Combine that with the fact that the tires are bald and you're in a 400Hp RWD car and you have to realize that, in order for the traction control to keep you from breaking loose, it would most likely have to slow your car down to a crawl... Most people don't want their M3 to bog/crawl no matter the scenario. You have to control the car, the traction control is just there to assist

m3an · 11-25-2012, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Benvo

DTC is on 335's, we have MDM, not DTC.

We have DSC. Non NAV cars don't have MDM

sin911 · 11-25-2012, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by LarThaL

Cars just weren't this powerful. If you go back a number of years, most Ferraris and Lamborghinis had less power and torque than the current M3. I remember back to 1994 when the Toyota Supra had 320hp and I was thinking "holy shit".

In 1983 when I bought my first car, a Mustang GT, it was the fastest production American car that year. It did 0-60 in 7.1 seconds and made 175hp with its 5 liter V8 and 4 barrel carburator. And we all know how much hp the top end Mustang produces today !!!!

You really have to go back to the muscle car days to see big power and torque, and even then, it was really only a handful of cars that did this. And yes, they were a nightmare to control.

It really is modern traction management systems that allows for the powerful cars of today to be driven by most mortals in relative safety on public roadways.

Don't forget the fact that back in the days the cars were a lot lighter too. So the lack of HP was met by lower weight.

BPMSport · 11-25-2012, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by m3an

We have DSC. Non NAV cars don't have MDM

No..

All newer BMW's have 'DSC'

Some M3's have 'MDM' - doesn't matter if you have NAV or not.

No M3 has DTC, that's only on non-M variants.

Longboarder · 11-25-2012, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LarThaL

Cars just weren't this powerful. If you go back a number of years, most Ferraris and Lamborghinis had less power and torque than the current M3. I remember back to 1994 when the Toyota Supra had 320hp and I was thinking "holy shit".

In 1983 when I bought my first car, a Mustang GT, it was the fastest production American car that year. It did 0-60 in 7.1 seconds and made 175hp with its 5 liter V8 and 4 barrel carburator. And we all know how much hp the top end Mustang produces today !!!!

You really have to go back to the muscle car days to see big power and torque, and even then, it was really only a handful of cars that did this. And yes, they were a nightmare to control.

It really is modern traction management systems that allows for the powerful cars of today to be driven by most mortals in relative safety on public roadways.

Good post...my first car was a 1985 GT. However even though the HP was low, these cars still made nearly 300 lb-ft of torque...as much as an M3 today...and the tires back then were horrible...so it was still easy to get it sideways (by accident) around corners.

gblansten · 11-25-2012, 08:40 AM

My advise wood be to leave DTC on so you're tires don't brake lose.

Peahi · 11-25-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gblansten

My advise wood be to leave DTC on so you're tires don't brake lose.

Stop saying DTC! That's not a word here! Lol!

gblansten · 11-25-2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Peahi

Stop saying DTC! That's not a word here! Lol!

Irregardless, you minus whale admit I'm write.

Lerxst M4 · 11-25-2012, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by gblansten

My advise wood be to leave DTC on so you're tires don't brake lose.

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jstnelson2006 New Member 3 Rep 27 Posts Drives: 2013 Mineral White M3 Coupe Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Temple, TX iTrader: (0)	Tires break loose very easily when you are going around a turn. Combine that with the fact that the tires are bald and you're in a 400Hp RWD car and you have to realize that, in order for the traction control to keep you from breaking loose, it would most likely have to slow your car down to a crawl... Most people don't want their M3 to bog/crawl no matter the scenario. You have to control the car, the traction control is just there to assist __________________ 2013 M3 Coupe - Mineral White - 7spd DCT - Competition Package - CF roof, spoiler, mirrors, and splitters Nav/Heated Seats/BMW Apps/Satellite/
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