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Going with the F8X M3 or I already have one | 83 | 13.93% | |
Staying in my E9X M3 | 513 | 86.07% | |
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E36 M3 was awesome, E46 M3 (I owned) was awesome, and E92 (I owned) was awesome....I took a chance based on trend analysis. If it truly sucks, do you know how easy it would be for me to sell it for what I paid for it where I live? lol. turbo with 11more hp is "stupid shit"? Clearly it's more conservatively tuned from the factory than we thought. 2 independent dynos have proven that it is actually UNDERRATED (like all other BMW FI engines) and guess what? Oh, wow- 25% less displacement. Oh, and over 40% more torque. Got it. THE GTR IS NOT 4WD, IT IS AWD. Thanks, though. I've come to the realization that you are a fanboy and 99% of what you say is true bullshit. I have a feeling that you will soon get your real life comparisons and be able to produce drawings of F8x taillights from memory- especially if you drive like you procure logical and informed arguments.
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Ignorance my friend is when you have to stoop to name calling to get your point across or justify your purchase. It’s your money buy what you like! However, this is the E9x forum not the F8x forum I’m simply expressing my view point. Do you expect the E9x to get behind the F8x based solely on numbers on paper?
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Dont tell me those FBO owners with aftermarket coilovers, M3 bits etc. That switched to the E9X M3 Still thought the stock E9X M3 suspension was better than AST's, KW's ,TC Kline's... If drag racing was any harder, they'd call it road racing; if road racing was any harder, they'd call it Autocross. Saying the S55 is a glorified N55 is not bashing the F8X...it's the truth. People have been running those torquey FBO 400 plus hp twin turbo in line 6 for years, now that BMW does it , it's the best thing since sliced bread. If you like turbo lag, you like a soul less engine with a fart can of an exhaust with fake engine sound coming out of your stereo to make up for its shortcoming in the engine sound dpt. , then BMW has a car for you Mr purist. |
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IMHO, the whole argument about the active sound system is just insane. If it can be turned off one way or another, what's the problem? No harm, no foul! It's as stupid as someone saying I'm not interested in an E92 M3 because the cup holders suck. Oh well, I think at this point, we are just p1ssing behind a jumbo jet. But I guess I have nothing better to do this morning, so it's OK. P.S. You've had a quite a run with all sorts of M3's. Nice looking list you got there!
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For me.... I dont care if it makes 600hp. If it does not have a v8 i really just do not want it. The GTR will kill a m3 but I do not want one because of the 6 cylinder. No matter what exhaust is on it you cannot change the sound of the engine. Same as the m4, I know it will be faster but the inline 6 has a tone that can be changed somewhat by altering firing order but that is not happening and neither is getting rid of the sound it makes. I just do not care for it.
There is also something pleasing about having a older generation car that will walk away from the new ones that some snot nose kid has because daddy bought him one.
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Saying that an E9x will give an F80 a run for its money is like saying a US E36 M3 will give an E46 M3 a run for its money (stock for stock of course). Never. Going. To. Happen. I don't remember the exact number bmwusa.com gave the E9x but it was well slower than the 3.9s for the F80/2 with DCT. Less power + less torque + more weight = faster? FYI, I don't have a new M3 in order, so I have no reason to justify my purchase. I just like to argue with facts and common sense
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I didn't see in there where I called you any names, but "my friend", I am sorry if you are butt-hurt in some fashion because I used the words "erroneous" and "ignorance". I truly am sorry because I subjected you to that harshness. Quote:
You clearly have never driven a car with real turbo lag, so Ill just let that one slide. I could agree, it doesnt have soul like the S65 or S85, but the sound is no worse than the S54. Oh, and also FYI....a "purist" would stick with the E92, stripper, with 6MT. I'm just a guy with strong opinions against those who don't try to have real discussions, but rather pull random comments out of their asses with no evidence or experience to back it up. An I am not even close to being as knowledgeable about some of these cars as some people on here.
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I sure hope Porsche doesn’t go that route, but you might be right……
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That's precisely why I said stock for stock. Because he was saying that the F80/2 owners will be desperate to get a tune and up the boost after getting passed by an E9x. Do you not agree how ridiculous that is? Everything that has been tested thus far (and all I care about) is a stock car. Between the acceleration figures and lap time, it's all been stock. This isn't a debate of what you can mod to make it as quick as a stock car. Otherwise this would just turn into what a 335i with $5k mods would do against an E9x M3.
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I digress. I have been really lucky. A lot of my East Coast friends are making me jealous by picking up E30 M3s and E36 M3s at GREAT prices and I can't find a single one that I could justify buying here in SoCal My goal is to find an E36 right now for a dedicated track toy that my GF can learn on. It was scary letting her drive the E92 at Willow Springs I've just been very blessed and done enough deployments in a short period of time to feed my addiciton to this incredibly expensive hobby. Quote:
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Heck, the M235i looks to be a nice value in a few years (offlease specials- just add the limited slip diff!) |
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Wow, I'm seeing light here! I agree with you on the long-term reliability concern and only time will tell. I really hope it holds up.
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I think going turbo was inevitable. Also don't be surprised if companies like Audi, BMW and MB stop doing DCT as well in favor of good automatic transmissions. But luckily for us car guys, these M3 are pretty decently common. We aren't talk about an F40 or Porsche 959 here. There's 5 generations to pick from
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The 235 is really shaping up to be a pretty legit car, other than the stupid M badges everywhere, but many are considering it a modernized E36 M3.
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Power almost the same, less torque however torque is only good if you can get traction & the weight of the F8x keeps going up so until someone unbiased buys one & weights it And don't get me wrong I'm sure it's a little faster but I doubt it's that big of difference. Even with the E46M the E9x was faster but it wasn't a blow out!
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To me, the badge and naming is just as insignificant as the active sound. Almost completely fixeable with some dental floss and goo gone. A name is just a name that marketing wants to use. It's got nothing to do with how the car drives. I'm very sure I'm in the minority that thinks that. Should it just have been a 235i? Probably. Still a great car though. Quote:
Still doesn't make me dislike the E9x though. Hell I'll probably drive it to work tomorrow so it doesn't feel bad that I've been defending the F80/2 all morning today
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As far as the E9x though, I surely miss mine. Sold it far too quickly, but got exactly what I wanted for it (probably because of the deisirable colors and 6MT) +mods. I missed my E46, too. I still am one of the few who think the E46 is almost a timeless design. I love the body. Everytime I see one with full suspension and wider tires and killing it at the track, I miss it even more. BMW is doing a lot right. EDIT: , but I love days when NOTHING is going on at work and things are running smoothly. It gives me so much time on here.
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Like most I was extremely excited about the new M I thought BMW was going to finally make an M to compete with Porsche then I here it’s a turbo then on top of that they give it more torque but barely any increase in hp. So it’s not that I’m a fanboy of the E9x just kinda disappointed but we’ll see.
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