2010 M3 GTS vs 911 GT3 RS:

[Jonmartin]

Originally Posted by southlight

The same time for both cars at the Nuerburgring (7:48).


Best regards,
south

Ya but ring times are not absoulute probably it wasnt done by the same driver and same day. I believe the 7:48 your quoting was done by Sport Auto but then Walter rohrl was able to get a 7:43 out of it so that tell you obviously theres other factors. I believe the new GT3 does a 7:40 and the new GT3 RS does a 7:33 if I'm not mistaken. Either way I'm pretty sure the RS is capable of slightly better times othwise they wouldnt make it.

[southlight]

Originally Posted by Jonmartin

Ya but ring times are not absoulute probably it wasnt done by the same driver and same day. I believe the 7:48 your quoting was done by Sport Auto but then Walter rohrl was able to get a 7:43 out of it so that tell you obviously theres other factors. I believe the new GT3 does a 7:40 and the new GT3 RS does a 7:33 if I'm not mistaken. Either way I'm pretty sure the RS is capable of slightly better times othwise they wouldnt make it.

Both are Sportauto times done by the same driver (different days, yes). Roehrl had lapped the GT3 in 7:47 and the GT3 RS in 7:45, maybe they only build the RS for him, as nobody else would feel the difference.

The new GT3 made a 7:40, but I don't think there's a time for the GT3 RS yet. Still, IMO the GT3 RS isn't worth the higher price.


Best regards,
south

[footie]

Originally Posted by Jonmartin

I'd drive the superior car because its better since when do people buy cars based on skill level? alot of people cant drive their M3's properly either does that mean they should have bought an Audi?

I was trying to appeal to your common sense. I have watched too many people drive cars that are clearly beyond their own natural talent and think to myself 'what a waste'. The M3 isn't in the same caliber of argument as the GT3RS, it's basic layout makes it a much easier car to control, something that couldn't be said for the Porsche.

[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by southlight

I fail to see the point of the GT3 RS. Last time (997.1) it wasn't faster than the GT3 at all, but remarkably more expensive. I don't know if this has changed by much, but I doubt it. So it's an GTS for me in this comparison. I'd prefer a 'regular' GT3 to both, though.


Best regards,
south

+1

[Robin_NL]

I didn't find the 997.1S I drove last year and wanted to buy very rewarding at all.Au contraire... That's why I didn't buy it. And that's why I bought the M3.And wait for the 458 Italia and the lottery to come my way....

[Robin_NL]

Die Herstellung des GTS erfolgt in "Manufakturproduktion" in speziellen Abteilungen der M-GmbH.
Zur Produktionsstückzahl, es wird wohl definitiv nur knappe 100 Stück geben.
Ab 100 Einheiten ist ein Fahrzeug wohl kein Individualfahrzeug mehr und muss von der AG abgesegnet werden, das will man hier anscheinend vermeiden.

Der Vertieb erfolgt übrigens ausschließlich direkt über die M-GmbH, das Fahrzeug kann man also nicht beim Händler bestellen.
Es gibt nur 2 optionale "SA's", eine Klimaanlage und ein Audiosystem.

///M is talking about just <100 GTS vehicles, because from 100 on it won't be a Individual vehicle and it will be called an AG vehicle. The GTS is being produced in a special division. Not like any of our normal //M3s. There are only 2 options to choose from: Airconditioning and an audio system...

You only can buy a GTS directly from //M GmbH, not from your dealership. Holland will probably get 1 or 2 and my friend and my dealership ordered one, but I doubt it he will get 1 GTS at all.

Now let's talk about 'exotic'

[GT3 Tim]

Owned a 996 GT3. That car was more fun that the M. I imagine the 997 GT3RS is even more fun that my 996 was.

RS hands down...

If it weren't for a 7 year old, soccer practice, etc, etc, I would have one.

[Eugene-TAIWAN]

hands down GT3RS any day just look at the RS

[FStop7]

Try driving a 997 GT3 and you will understand. There is nothing BMW can do to make an M3 feel that good.

[Eugene-TAIWAN]

Originally Posted by FStop7

Try driving a 997 GT3 and you will understand. There is nothing BMW can do to make an M3 feel that good.

Porsches are so expensive in Taiwan i have to save up. We have to pay $223,000 USD for a normal GT3

[noxredna]

Take the Porsche..

[murellus]

what is this gt3 hijack. question is gts v gt3rs, it's irrelevant of what you think the value of the rs is over the gt3, if any at all.

at the same price this becomes pretty simple in favor of the rs, it does everything better (assumption). sure there are cars at the same price that you'll like more but two track focused cars should pretty much be compared by their performance.

[southlight]

Originally Posted by murellus

at the same price this becomes pretty simple in favor of the rs, it does everything better (assumption). sure there are cars at the same price that you'll like more but two track focused cars should pretty much be compared by their performance.

If it only were the same price...


Best regards,
south

[footie]

Originally Posted by murellus

what is this gt3 hijack. question is gts v gt3rs, it's irrelevant of what you think the value of the rs is over the gt3, if any at all.

at the same price this becomes pretty simple in favor of the rs, it does everything better (assumption). sure there are cars at the same price that you'll like more but two track focused cars should pretty much be compared by their performance.

Can I ask a question. Do you genuinely believe you could lap quicker in the RS version over the normal GT3, hack do you seriously believe that considering the extra expense involved that you would be seriously quicker than you would be in the basic C2S.

There is a world of difference wanting this cars as a object of desire, the need to own something this quick and actually using it's potential to the full. So while you think it's justification that there is an RS version over and above the GT3 and as such it the one to have I on the other hand look at it differently and think the diminishing return in outlay vs performance over the GT3 is such that it's a total waste.

But then what do I know, Ferrari have made a bloody good business out of convinced people that this kind of performance is what everyone should strive for and is achieveable to them once they have it.

[murellus]

No, I don't think I can lap quicker in the RS vs the normal GT3 but as the question is posed lets not get too far off track here. It's a question of GTS v GT3RS, not whether the extra cost of the RS is justified over the GT3 for an everyday joe.

My apologies in that I'm just getting tired of reading the forums with every topic seeming to get quickly off topic especially with the comparisons. I'm surprised that we're not arguing about the differences between the cayman and a c2s so far.

[FStop7]

I'm pretty sure the GT3 RS exists for homologation purposes. The GT3 RSR that races in ALMS uses the widebody chassis, so there needs to be a street car for it to be based on.

[Dariess2]

LOL. my dad has the new gt3. (not rs). i try to switch with him whenever i can. its the ultimate drivers car.

[devo]

RS for sure. FYI, a very well optioned RS would cost about $155K tops (US). That's excessively optioned. It already comes with $3k buckets, Dynamic Engine Mounts and some other goodies. Add PCCB's for $8800, Full Leather for $3200 and maybe $3500 for the front lift to the $132,800 sticker and you're good. You'd have to add $3k in special paint and a few other goodies to get to $155k. The average RS will MSRP @ $145k.

[JC919]

I'd take a GT3 (non RS) over the GTS any day!! Not to mention an RS would literally run circles around the GTS.

[devo]

Originally Posted by southlight

Both are Sportauto times done by the same driver (different days, yes). Roehrl had lapped the GT3 in 7:47 and the GT3 RS in 7:45, maybe they only build the RS for him, as nobody else would feel the difference.

The new GT3 made a 7:40, but I don't think there's a time for the GT3 RS yet. Still, IMO the GT3 RS isn't worth the higher price.


Best regards,
south

Supposedly, our beloved Walter has run a low 7:30 with the .2 RS.

[lucid]

Devo, where's your car man? I can't wait to check it out!

[devo]

Originally Posted by southlight

The power/weight ratio of the GT3RS is around 5% better than the ratio of the GT3 (7,17 lbs/hp GT3; 6,8 lbs/hp GT3RS). That's within the usual tolerance. You don't expect miracles from that difference, do you? Besides the bigger show-off factor, I don't see what's worth 20k more in the USA or rather EUR 30k more in Europe.


Best regards,
south

The tangible differences being the much larger contact patch fore and aft and wider track, lower gearing by virtue of different transmission gears, $3k carbon buckets, Dynamic Engine Mounts, roll cage, Light weight Titanium Exhaust, RSR front suspension components, wide body, 15 more horsepower with a wee less weight and Carbon Door Sills, name some of the differences for $20k. Not too bad in my book.