BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > E90/E92 M3 Technical Topics > Track / Autocross / Dragstrip / Driving Techniques
 
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      08-26-2013, 05:33 PM   #23
radiantm3
Apex Everything!
radiantm3's Avatar
United_States
969
Rep
4,378
Posts

Drives: 2007 Honda S2000, 2017 GT350
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Cedar Park, TX

iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2011 E92 M3  [9.35]
2014 BMW i3  [10.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by pkim1079 View Post
This is my dilemma - oil level is at half now. To track is ok? Or should i do a change first?
I've seen bad things happen to cars from oil starvation by taking corners fast. I always fill when halfway.
__________________
2011 E92 M3(Sold). 2007 Honda S2000 (Track Car). 2016 Cayman GT4 (Sold). 2017 Shelby GT350 (AKA Crowd Killer).

My pet project: https://stickershift.com
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2013, 05:44 PM   #24
pkimM3r
Banned
pkimM3r's Avatar
205
Rep
7,298
Posts

Drives: m3 saloon in granny mode.
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: lost angeles

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by radiantm3 View Post
I've seen bad things happen to cars from oil starvation by taking corners fast. I always fill when halfway.
thats my paranoia.

at the same time, how much do i put in when it is only at the halfway point and not at the warning point?

I am taking my car in this week to have an alignment before 2 track days this month. I'll have my tech top it off correctly.
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2013, 06:10 PM   #25
jphughan
Brigadier General
jphughan's Avatar
United_States
594
Rep
4,488
Posts

Drives: '16 Cayman GT4
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Austin, TX

iTrader: (0)

^ Add a quarter liter. You can track on 3/4 full, but check again at the end of the day especially if you're doing a 2-day event. That dipstick is the most finicky thing ever, and if you overfill you have to drain out the bottom since there's no dipstick shaft to use a fluid extractor with. I always add 1/4 liter less than what it wants and it usually ends up right where I want it. The most recent time after an oil change where I specifically asked for only 8.25 liters to be put in, the reading said add 1 qt. I added half a liter and it said "Full". Sigh. So I now always ask for 8.25 liters and tell the tech to give me the remaining 0.75 liters in a bottle so I can add as necessary rather than having to worry that they might have overfilled. The oil capacity is 8.8 liters, FYI.

Just remember the most reliable way to check with that nuisance is to drive 5 miles, then pull over into a level surface, leave the engine idling, and then tell it to measure. Measurements taken while moving tend not to result in the reading changing, even after you've added oil.
__________________
'16 Cayman GT4 (delivery pics, comparison to E92 M3 write-up)

Gone but not forgotten:
'11.75 M3 E92 Le Mans | Black Nov w/ Alum | 6MT (owned 5/2011 - 11/2015)
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2013, 06:13 PM   #26
1MOREMOD
-
1MOREMOD's Avatar
United_States
11816
Rep
23,187
Posts

Drives: Race car->
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: check your mirrors

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by radiantm3 View Post
I've seen bad things happen to cars from oil starvation by taking corners fast. I always fill when halfway.
my e46 gets fuel starvation as well any lower than 1/3 tank. only happens on one corner but not a good thing.
__________________

02 Tiag e46 M3|6MT|GC plates|MCS c.o.|GC bars|GC race control arms|GC bushings|BW eng. & tran. mounts|subframe kit|BW race shifter|BW Jaffster|Euro header|BW exhaust|K&N c.a.i.|Epic race tune|Rouge pulleys|Seibon CF hood|CSL bumper|apr gt 250 & splitter|ST-40|XR-2|SS lines|half cage|Recaro profi|Profi 2 harness|BMWpedals|BW studs|
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2013, 07:02 PM   #27
radiantm3
Apex Everything!
radiantm3's Avatar
United_States
969
Rep
4,378
Posts

Drives: 2007 Honda S2000, 2017 GT350
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Cedar Park, TX

iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2011 E92 M3  [9.35]
2014 BMW i3  [10.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD View Post
my e46 gets fuel starvation as well any lower than 1/3 tank. only happens on one corner but not a good thing.
Longwong recommends dry sump high octane gas to solve that issue.
__________________
2011 E92 M3(Sold). 2007 Honda S2000 (Track Car). 2016 Cayman GT4 (Sold). 2017 Shelby GT350 (AKA Crowd Killer).

My pet project: https://stickershift.com
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2013, 07:14 PM   #28
1MOREMOD
-
1MOREMOD's Avatar
United_States
11816
Rep
23,187
Posts

Drives: Race car->
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: check your mirrors

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by radiantm3 View Post
Longwong recommends dry sump high octane gas to solve that issue.
I just fill up early. He's always making it more complicated.
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2013, 07:55 PM   #29
slicer
Major General
slicer's Avatar
2733
Rep
6,732
Posts

Drives: 'E46 M3 Race Car, '23 X7
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Wisconsin - Instagram - @slicer_m

iTrader: (39)

Quote:
Originally Posted by radiantm3 View Post
I've seen bad things happen to cars from oil starvation by taking corners fast. I always fill when halfway.
+1 - I lost a Porsche 996 engine due to oil starvation at Willow Springs. I would rather have too much oil than not enough. The 996 engine's oil delivery system is flawed IMO which was the primary culprit. It was reassuring to see M3's taking a beating on that same day without issue.
__________________
'23 X7
'04 M3 - Fall Line Motorsports Built Race Car - S65 swap, Dry Sump, Bosch Stand-Alone ECU, Drenth Sequential Trans, MCS 3-Way, Flossmann Wide Body, Brembo Motorsports Brakes, Drexler LSD, BBS E88 Etc.
INSTAGRAM - @Slicer_M
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2013, 08:38 PM   #30
surlynkid
Major
surlynkid's Avatar
113
Rep
1,470
Posts

Drives: 2013 E92 M3
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: League City, TX

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by jacobe92 View Post
First time trackers should tape wheel weights w/ high temperature aluminum tape to prevent it from flying off and having to get it balance later.$$$
i do that to protect the adhesive from the high temps, not to keep them from flying off. you can buy a roll at any home depot. i put it down double thick.
__________________
Stoptech 380mm/355mm | PFC08 / Pagid RS-29 | Akrapovic EVO - CF tips | Benvo Tune | MS UDP | AA air filter | MCS 2-way with 700/1000lb springs | Solid bushings and adjustable links | RD front swaybar | Apex EC-7 18x10 square 275/35-18 NT01 | Turner Race Studs | GT4 Brake Cooling | GT4 Power Steering Cooling | Alekshop Oil Cooler | Performance Steering Wheel | | CF Spoiler | Varis System 1 Full CF Diffuser | Extended Paddle Shifters | Schroth Quick Fit Pro | Turner Steering Rack Stops | Vorshlag Camber Plates
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2013, 09:00 PM   #31
wwjd15
Banned
United_States
89
Rep
1,315
Posts

Drives: 11 E92 M3 MR
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Orange County

iTrader: (6)

Always bring more than one credit card and some cash, so you won't stuck at the gas pump at the tracks. Especially if you are first time to a track that you never been before.
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2013, 09:01 PM   #32
1MOREMOD
-
1MOREMOD's Avatar
United_States
11816
Rep
23,187
Posts

Drives: Race car->
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: check your mirrors

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by wwjd15 View Post
Always bring more than one credit card and some cash, so you won't stuck at the gas pump at the tracks. Especially if you are first time to a track that you never been before.
good call. i made the mistake of putting my wallet away then drove straight off track to the pump and wouldnt have made it back if didnt borrow money from another tracker that was at the pumps.
__________________

02 Tiag e46 M3|6MT|GC plates|MCS c.o.|GC bars|GC race control arms|GC bushings|BW eng. & tran. mounts|subframe kit|BW race shifter|BW Jaffster|Euro header|BW exhaust|K&N c.a.i.|Epic race tune|Rouge pulleys|Seibon CF hood|CSL bumper|apr gt 250 & splitter|ST-40|XR-2|SS lines|half cage|Recaro profi|Profi 2 harness|BMWpedals|BW studs|
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2013, 09:31 PM   #33
thorny
Captain
thorny's Avatar
United_States
83
Rep
954
Posts

Drives: M3
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Texas

iTrader: (9)

Do not go off and hit nasty curbs that may not look too bad. I bent two of my TE37SLs, luckily I got them fixed, and they run better than new.

Do not try to run your pads way too thin, especially if they are just some "performance" otherwise street compound. I overheated and burnt through the last bits of front pads which resuted in a screwed up rotor surface. After painstaking sanding (I figured that would be best repair and it worked) I got them back in shape (almost), but eventually ended up with bbk and proper race compound.

Do not use blue tape, looks ugly and clear track tape protects better due to thickness. Apply sparingly, do not get carried away

Take a fire extinguisher to the track on super hot days, I have seen enough fires, if you dont help yourself - you'll help soemone else. I vividly recall the GtR that pulled in smoking, next thing you know flames came out and everyone just stood there helplessly, including myself. Luckily, fire track was driving by and took care of the situation, but the car was ruined badly. One more minute it would have been gone for good.

And the more I think about it, if you have the budget for one more mod after brake pads/fluid is the dedicated set of track wheels/tires, then you dont have to deal with stupid weights falling off, vibrations on the street from wear and messed up balance and you can run some sticky tires which give you the most seconds for the buck.

Proper camber is a must as many pointed out. I run 3.5 F 2.5 R on the street and happy, no isssues.

I close my passenger window, many track organizers will tell you to keep it open, but on dusty tracks if you go off hard with both open, you'll be in for some serious interior detail.

Just my 2 cents
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2013, 10:05 PM   #34
bigjae1976
Major General
bigjae1976's Avatar
1567
Rep
8,074
Posts

Drives: 11 E90 M3 Individual
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Houston, TX

iTrader: (22)

Garage List
2004 BMW M3  [4.50]
2011 BMW E90 M3  [5.25]
2013 BMW 328i  [5.00]
1. Don't forget to pump the brakes in your garage after you change the pads.

2. Don't try to get that last session out of brake pads.

3. Don't leave that spare part you never use at home.

4. Don't pack bug and tar remover in the same box as your helmet.

5. One thing I do is my own tech before the tech. If you wait until the tech to find something wrong...its too late. Need to show up to the tech with stuff in top shape.

6. Do an after event tech.

Quote:
Originally Posted by radiantm3 View Post
Overflowing Brake Fluid when Changing Pads
Install fresh pads, top off brake fluid. Never top off unless you replace the pads. When you bleed, return the fluid to the same level.

Quote:
Originally Posted by slicer View Post
+1 - I lost a Porsche 996 engine due to oil starvation at Willow Springs. I would rather have too much oil than not enough. The 996 engine's oil delivery system is flawed IMO which was the primary culprit. It was reassuring to see M3's taking a beating on that same day without issue.
That's a no-no with the S54 and S65. You're oil temps will skyrocket at the track. Keep the oil level just right.
__________________
2018 F30 320iX Melbourne Red
2011 E90 M3 Monte Carlo Blue
2004 E46 M3 Imola Red
2000 E36/7 Z3 Steel Blue

Last edited by bigjae1976; 08-26-2013 at 10:18 PM..
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2013, 12:53 AM   #35
MaxL
Captain
Canada
69
Rep
957
Posts

Drives: E90 M3, Cayenne T, 991 GT3
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Bay Area

iTrader: (0)

[QUOTE=surlynkid;14563524]
Quote:
Originally Posted by radiantm3 View Post

common mistake home mechanics make all the time. you top off the brake fluid as it drops when the pads wear and then put new pads in and overflow it. it is an issue on pretty much all cars.
Topping off fluid is a mistake by itself - do not do it. Every time you open brake fluid tank, you let moisture in, reducing boiling point. First change pads, then bleed or flush the fluid, not vise-versa. Do not top off unless bleeding or flushing. And triple-check those bleed valves. When they come loose on the fastest corner of your fastest lap and the fluid flows out, it totally ruins the laptime...

Also, on oil - just have a liter with you and when needed add 200ml at a time to be safe. Adding half a liter is easy to overflow. Not adding till low is increasing risk of starvation.

What else? More sleep, less alcohol, and more sleep. Oh, yeah, maybe bringing spare set of tires is a good idea, but I'm still not convinced.
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2013, 01:53 AM   #36
pkimM3r
Banned
pkimM3r's Avatar
205
Rep
7,298
Posts

Drives: m3 saloon in granny mode.
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: lost angeles

iTrader: (0)

[QUOTE=MaxL]
Quote:
Originally Posted by surlynkid View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by radiantm3 View Post

common mistake home mechanics make all the time. you top off the brake fluid as it drops when the pads wear and then put new pads in and overflow it. it is an issue on pretty much all cars.
Topping off fluid is a mistake by itself - do not do it. Every time you open brake fluid tank, you let moisture in, reducing boiling point. First change pads, then bleed or flush the fluid, not vise-versa. Do not top off unless bleeding or flushing. And triple-check those bleed valves. When they come loose on the fastest corner of your fastest lap and the fluid flows out, it totally ruins the laptime...

Also, on oil - just have a liter with you and when needed add 200ml at a time to be safe. Adding half a liter is easy to overflow. Not adding till low is increasing risk of starvation.

What else? More sleep, less alcohol, and more sleep. Oh, yeah, maybe bringing spare set of tires is a good idea, but I'm still not convinced.
So if my reading says halfway basically just add tenths of a bottle at a time - drive around read levels again, repeat?
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2013, 03:50 AM   #37
lsal
We are all Longwong
lsal's Avatar
United_States
135
Rep
940
Posts

Drives: F90 CP LCI
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Cambridge, MA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2013 BMW M3  [10.00]
Great thread guys!!!

Just a thought - why isn't anyone here providing track-prep services? I'm sure some of the members would be happy...
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2013, 06:43 AM   #38
surlynkid
Major
surlynkid's Avatar
113
Rep
1,470
Posts

Drives: 2013 E92 M3
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: League City, TX

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by thorny
Do not go off and hit nasty curbs that may not look too bad. I bent two of my TE37SLs, luckily I got them fixed, and they run better than new.

Do not try to run your pads way too thin, especially if they are just some "performance" otherwise street compound. I overheated and burnt through the last bits of front pads which resuted in a screwed up rotor surface. After painstaking sanding (I figured that would be best repair and it worked) I got them back in shape (almost), but eventually ended up with bbk and proper race compound.

Do not use blue tape, looks ugly and clear track tape protects better due to thickness. Apply sparingly, do not get carried away

Take a fire extinguisher to the track on super hot days, I have seen enough fires, if you dont help yourself - you'll help soemone else. I vividly recall the GtR that pulled in smoking, next thing you know flames came out and everyone just stood there helplessly, including myself. Luckily, fire track was driving by and took care of the situation, but the car was ruined badly. One more minute it would have been gone for good.

And the more I think about it, if you have the budget for one more mod after brake pads/fluid is the dedicated set of track wheels/tires, then you dont have to deal with stupid weights falling off, vibrations on the street from wear and messed up balance and you can run some sticky tires which give you the most seconds for the buck.

Proper camber is a must as many pointed out. I run 3.5 F 2.5 R on the street and happy, no isssues.

I close my passenger window, many track organizers will tell you to keep it open, but on dusty tracks if you go off hard with both open, you'll be in for some serious interior detail.

Just my 2 cents
Don't roll up that window unless you have manual crank windows or a way to break it in 2 seconds. If you are in an accident or some bad situation, that is an escape route while your car is burning. Driver's side may be up against a tire wall. I'll take the cleanup over not being able to get out.
__________________
Stoptech 380mm/355mm | PFC08 / Pagid RS-29 | Akrapovic EVO - CF tips | Benvo Tune | MS UDP | AA air filter | MCS 2-way with 700/1000lb springs | Solid bushings and adjustable links | RD front swaybar | Apex EC-7 18x10 square 275/35-18 NT01 | Turner Race Studs | GT4 Brake Cooling | GT4 Power Steering Cooling | Alekshop Oil Cooler | Performance Steering Wheel | | CF Spoiler | Varis System 1 Full CF Diffuser | Extended Paddle Shifters | Schroth Quick Fit Pro | Turner Steering Rack Stops | Vorshlag Camber Plates
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2013, 06:57 AM   #39
lsal
We are all Longwong
lsal's Avatar
United_States
135
Rep
940
Posts

Drives: F90 CP LCI
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Cambridge, MA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2013 BMW M3  [10.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by surlynkid
Quote:
Originally Posted by thorny
Do not go off and hit nasty curbs that may not look too bad. I bent two of my TE37SLs, luckily I got them fixed, and they run better than new.

Do not try to run your pads way too thin, especially if they are just some "performance" otherwise street compound. I overheated and burnt through the last bits of front pads which resuted in a screwed up rotor surface. After painstaking sanding (I figured that would be best repair and it worked) I got them back in shape (almost), but eventually ended up with bbk and proper race compound.

Do not use blue tape, looks ugly and clear track tape protects better due to thickness. Apply sparingly, do not get carried away

Take a fire extinguisher to the track on super hot days, I have seen enough fires, if you dont help yourself - you'll help soemone else. I vividly recall the GtR that pulled in smoking, next thing you know flames came out and everyone just stood there helplessly, including myself. Luckily, fire track was driving by and took care of the situation, but the car was ruined badly. One more minute it would have been gone for good.

And the more I think about it, if you have the budget for one more mod after brake pads/fluid is the dedicated set of track wheels/tires, then you dont have to deal with stupid weights falling off, vibrations on the street from wear and messed up balance and you can run some sticky tires which give you the most seconds for the buck.

Proper camber is a must as many pointed out. I run 3.5 F 2.5 R on the street and happy, no isssues.

I close my passenger window, many track organizers will tell you to keep it open, but on dusty tracks if you go off hard with both open, you'll be in for some serious interior detail.

Just my 2 cents
Don't roll up that window unless you have manual crank windows or a way to break it in 2 seconds. If you are in an accident or some bad situation, that is an escape route while your car is burning. Driver's side may be up against a tire wall. I'll take the cleanup over not being able to get out.
+1 for safety>detailing
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2013, 07:53 AM   #40
///M Ryder
Grown Azz Man
///M Ryder's Avatar
United_States
429
Rep
3,021
Posts

Drives: GT4
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Texas

iTrader: (8)

Don't forget to cover the power steering fluid reservoir cap......I've seen engines covered after one session.........Phil
__________________
2016 GT4.....Sapphire Blue Metallic, Platinum stitch Leather/Alcantara interior, Carbon Fiber Trim, PCM w/Nav, Guards Red Belts, 2 Zone Climate, Sport Chrono, LWB, Smokers Pack, Big Gas Tank, Light Design Pack, Bi-Xenon w/PDL, Auto Dim Mirror, Clear Side Markers, GTS Clear Taillights
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2013, 09:02 AM   #41
Groundpilot
Banned
Groundpilot's Avatar
United_States
476
Rep
1,711
Posts

Drives: 135I DCT , e92 M3 DCT, Audi A6
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: long island,ny

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by surlynkid View Post
Don't roll up that window unless you have manual crank windows or a way to break it in 2 seconds. If you are in an accident or some bad situation, that is an escape route while your car is burning. Driver's side may be up against a tire wall. I'll take the cleanup over not being able to get out.
I never thought about that. This is a great advice.
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2013, 09:13 AM   #42
lsal
We are all Longwong
lsal's Avatar
United_States
135
Rep
940
Posts

Drives: F90 CP LCI
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Cambridge, MA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2013 BMW M3  [10.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Groundpilot
Quote:
Originally Posted by surlynkid View Post
Don't roll up that window unless you have manual crank windows or a way to break it in 2 seconds. If you are in an accident or some bad situation, that is an escape route while your car is burning. Driver's side may be up against a tire wall. I'll take the cleanup over not being able to get out.
I never thought about that. This is a great advice.
Can't figure out if you are being sarcastic or not... He was replying to someone's bad advise...
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2013, 10:24 AM   #43
surlynkid
Major
surlynkid's Avatar
113
Rep
1,470
Posts

Drives: 2013 E92 M3
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: League City, TX

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by lsal View Post
Can't figure out if you are being sarcastic or not... He was replying to someone's bad advise...
sounded serious.

with all the electronics in cars, if you lose 12V and cannot get the windows down, you may not be getting out in an accident situation. thus the reason people put those orange handled hammers with the pointed tip to break out a window in an accident on the street.
__________________
Stoptech 380mm/355mm | PFC08 / Pagid RS-29 | Akrapovic EVO - CF tips | Benvo Tune | MS UDP | AA air filter | MCS 2-way with 700/1000lb springs | Solid bushings and adjustable links | RD front swaybar | Apex EC-7 18x10 square 275/35-18 NT01 | Turner Race Studs | GT4 Brake Cooling | GT4 Power Steering Cooling | Alekshop Oil Cooler | Performance Steering Wheel | | CF Spoiler | Varis System 1 Full CF Diffuser | Extended Paddle Shifters | Schroth Quick Fit Pro | Turner Steering Rack Stops | Vorshlag Camber Plates
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2013, 11:29 AM   #44
lsal
We are all Longwong
lsal's Avatar
United_States
135
Rep
940
Posts

Drives: F90 CP LCI
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Cambridge, MA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2013 BMW M3  [10.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by surlynkid View Post
sounded serious.

with all the electronics in cars, if you lose 12V and cannot get the windows down, you may not be getting out in an accident situation. thus the reason people put those orange handled hammers with the pointed tip to break out a window in an accident on the street.
Definitely good advise, and I can't for the life of me figure out why someone would risk his health just to avoid getting the car cleaned... Windows down FTW!
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:21 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST