ZCP Vs poor regular M3!!

[artar]

I have an '09 non-ZCP M3... hear dat VTEC kick in yo!

[dexx]

Originally Posted by SlamMan

The consensus has always been that they're cast.

Don't care, facts please

I don't remember seeing anywhere that BMW claims they're forged like they do the non ZCP 19" wheels.

Seriously?

I downloaded the 2011 brochure PDF from bmwusa.com. It says in FIVE different places the 359M wheels are forged. That's just the brochure.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by sameh

Well, that just adds weight to the car and makes it sluggish. Look at my M3 0-60 in 3 minutes

Hell..I need a calendar for my 0-60..

[sameh]

Originally Posted by M3Pilot09

I had a 2008 M3 sedan 6MT, I now have a 2011 DCT, ZCP coupe. The car is faster, hands down compared to a non ZCP car, sounds different and more responsive. Those who do not get ZCP are truly being cheated in my opinion. Besides if you spring for the OEM 19's at $950 why not spring $2,500 for the ZCP package, well worth the money.

So the 2011 DCT ZCP is faster than the 2008 6MT and you are sure it's because of the ZCP!!!!!!!!
I am sorry but did you say DCT????

[henryyxyu]

I'd get the ZCP mainly for resell value. Saying that you have a performance package on an already performance car makes even more 'performancey' .

All joking aside though, as others have stated before, I highly doubt that the EDC reprogramming makes a world of difference. Besides the lowered ride height and wider rubber (and maybe lighter rims?), I don't see anything that would drastically change how the car drives overall. If they put on some thicker sway bars, then that'd be a different story IMO.

Its a good buy though for those who want to stay stock and have their car slightly modded without resorting to aftermarket tuners. I would have gotten it except they didn't have the ZCP option back then .

[LemonOne]

Originally Posted by M3Pilot09

I had a 2008 M3 sedan 6MT, I now have a 2011 DCT, ZCP coupe. The car is faster, hands down compared to a non ZCP car, sounds different and more responsive. Those who do not get ZCP are truly being cheated in my opinion. Besides if you spring for the OEM 19's at $950 why not spring $2,500 for the ZCP package, well worth the money.

Welcome to the DCT club!
You know DCT IS faster than 6MT, not because of ZCP? (maybe on track)

[GewoW]

lol other than increasing resale value, it's completely useless to 99% of the people here. No one would notice the difference in how it handles, and if they can, then that means they're probably already looking at another option for suspension.

Add to that that it's like 6000$+ here in Canada, they can eat it.

[quality_sound]

I think what he was getting at was the way people announce it every time they mention the car like it's special or something. It's am option package that anyone can get on any 2011 M3. It's not like it's an Edition, GTS, or Individual where the car truly is different than a standard M3.

[Kyoshi71]

If I were a Mod, there'd be a padlock on this bullshit thread so that all you sissies can go back to talking about which color is the best

[walsh]

Originally Posted by dexx

Don't care, facts please



Seriously?

I downloaded the 2011 brochure PDF from bmwusa.com. It says in FIVE different places the 359M wheels are forged. That's just the brochure.

Hate to break it to you but the zcp wheels are not forged. Do a quick on here and you'll see the threads that explain it and give you the "facts."

[dexx]

Originally Posted by bwalshy99

Hate to break it to you but the zcp wheels are not forged. Do a quick on here and you'll see the threads that explain it and give you the "facts."

I used to think Nasioc was bad this board is worse... simply terrible.

[walsh]

Originally Posted by dexx

I used to think Nasioc was bad this board is worse... simply terrible.

What was so bad about that? I was just letting you know that they are not forged, which someone else already tried to tell you but you yelled at them saying they have no idea what they're talking about. Yes the brochure says they're forged but this is incorrect. That has been talked about on here before.

When I was curious about this same thing I searched and found the correct answer, that they are indeed not forged. The price alone kind of gives this away. The 18" 260M and the 19" 220M both cost more per wheel then the 359M ZCP wheels.

[dexx]

Originally Posted by bwalshy99

What was so bad about that? I was just letting you know that they are not forged, which someone else already tried to tell you but you yelled at them saying they have no idea what they're talking about. Yes the brochure says they're forged but this is incorrect. That has been talked about on here before.

Yet it's still too hard to press "Ctrl-V" and paste the post you found with "facts" in it instead of another useless reply.

When I was curious about this same thing I searched and found the correct answer, that they are indeed not forged. The price alone kind of gives this away. The 18" 260M and the 19" 220M both cost more per wheel then the 359M ZCP wheels.

More speculation on irrelevant information.

I expect to see a link showing the original manufacturer of the wheels showing the manufacturing process is not forged.

The button shows a hundred other people making posts like yours, yet not a single conclusive fact.

[DeepSeaLandry]

Originally Posted by richpuer

I only got ZCP because i like the look of the wheels and dont plan on doing aftermarket...The other point that sold me was that it comes slightly lowered...i know its not much, but good enough for me...I did alot of modding in the past and got tempted to do it again with the M but because of all the issues in the past with aftermarket shit....i decided not to mod the M....so when i found out it came slightly lowered, i was sold...cuz theres no way i would put an aftermarket suspension in this car like i did with my last 2...squeaks, rattles, all the bullshit....just made me feel a little better about the purchase cuz i didnt have to do shit...

+1 Agreed and would do the same thing for the peace of mind of a "factory" car that has everything that I want already done!

[walsh]

Originally Posted by dexx

Yet it's still too hard to press "Ctrl-V" and paste the post you found with "facts" in it instead of another useless reply.


More speculation on irrelevant information.

I expect to see a link showing the original manufacturer of the wheels showing the manufacturing process is not forged.

The button shows a hundred other people making posts like yours, yet not a single conclusive fact.

The prices are a fact, not speculation. In who's crazy mind would a forged wheel cost less then a spun cast wheel. Please tell me why the zcp wheel would cost less per wheel then the standard 18" and 19" wheels which are forged and made by BBS with your obvious extensive knowledge of cars. The only thing that explains this is the material and the process used.

Keep searching, someone had the actual BMW part catalog that showed the price and the process by which they were made, it showed spun cast.

And in regard to pasting the information, why would I go out of my way to spend the time searching to find the information for you when you're to lazy to search for yourself and do nothing but have a 13 year old girls first time on her period bitchy attitude towards people trying to give you information.

Thats it I'm done, no point in trying to tell you anything other then what you want to hear because you're obviously not going to listen.

[dexx]

Originally Posted by bwalshy99

The prices are a fact, not speculation. In who's crazy mind would a forged wheel cost less then a spun cast wheel. Please tell me why the zcp wheel would cost less per wheel then the standard 18" and 19" wheels which are forged and made by BBS with your obvious extensive knowledge of cars. The only thing that explains this is the material and the process used.

Keep searching, someone had the actual BMW part catalog that showed the price and the process by which they were made, it showed spun cast.

And in regard to pasting the information, why would I go out of my way to spend the time searching to find the information for you when you're to lazy to search for yourself and do nothing but have a 13 year old girls first time on her period bitchy attitude towards people trying to give you information.

You didn't present any facts about prices... Here's a fact: (Note you can tell this is a fact because I'm posting frickin' URL that's not just me saying whatever the hell I want to) http://www.vortextuning.com/vortex_t...set-black.html

220M replica's in a cast process, the asking price is only ~$224 per wheel. That still has a huge margin built in because they know there is a limited high-end market for these. Their manufacturing cost I would believe is less than 50% of that, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone said 30%. Regardless it's a very small fraction of what the forged wheel costs. Let's do a bit of math, by the same ratio if the ZCP wheel are cast, and 220M wheels would be well over (edit did that wrong) $16,000 for a set? Clearly not true since I can get them here including powdercoating and tuner-markup for $2983.32 http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html...220-BLACK-RIMS

Thats it I'm done, no point in trying to tell you anything other then what you want to hear because you're obviously not going to listen.

You're right I'm not going to listing to a bunch of hearsay and speculation. Good thing you shut up before I had to plainly say "Put up, or shut up", but I'd just be repeating myself in a less subtle way.

Since I own them I'd damn well like to know if BMW sold me forged wheels that are really cast, and no one here is about to prove that, or there would be a class-action lawsuit brewing in the range for $2000+ plus per customer.

[walsh]

Originally Posted by dexx

You didn't present any facts about prices... Here's a fact: (Note you can tell this is a fact because I'm posting frickin' URL that's not just me saying whatever the hell I want to) http://www.vortextuning.com/vortex_t...set-black.html

220M replica's in a cast process, the asking price is only ~$224 per wheel. That still has a huge margin built in because they know there is a limited high-end market for these. Their manufacturing cost I would believe is less than 50% of that, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone said 30%. Regardless it's a very small fraction of what the forged wheel costs. Let's do a bit of math, by the same ratio if the ZCP wheel are cast, and 220M wheels would be well over (edit did that wrong) $16,000 for a set? Clearly not true since I can get them here including powdercoating and tuner-markup for $2983.32 http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html...220-BLACK-RIMS



You're right I'm not going to listing to a bunch of hearsay and speculation. Good thing you shut up before I had to plainly say "Put up, or shut up", but I'd just be repeating myself in a less subtle way.

Since I own them I'd damn well like to know if BMW sold me forged wheels that are really cast, and no one here is about to prove that, or there would be a class-action lawsuit brewing in the range for $2000+ plus per customer.

You're a complete moron. There's a fact. This thread is my proof.

You just tried to prove something, I'm not even sure what, based on a replica's price and I have no idea what kind of math you did to get $16,000.

359M = $485.00 each
220M = $740.00 each
(front wheels)


My point is proven. If you don't believe me on the prices feel free to call the dealership.

[dexx]

Originally Posted by bwalshy99

You're a complete moron.

Ad hominem, you prove only that you lose.

There's a fact. This thread is my proof.

You just tried to prove something, I'm not even sure what, based on a replica's price and I have no idea what kind of math you did to get $16,000.

359M = $485.00 each
220M = $740.00 each
(front wheels)


My point is proven. If you don't believe me on the prices feel free to call the dealership.

220M cast replica's $164+. This is a ratio of 4.5 to 1 forged to cast. Do you follow?
Assume the 359M are cast at $485, forged versions would be $2182.50 each, or $8730 a set.

Yes it's partially nonsense. I hoped you'd take a hint, price comparisons are BS, it's clear that you haven't picked that up.

You just tried to prove something, I'm not even sure what

Correct.


Proof Proof Proof Proof, give me proof.

[walsh]

Originally Posted by dexx

Ad hominem, you prove only that you lose.



220M cast replica's $164+. This is a ratio of 4.5 to 1 forged to cast. Do you follow?
Assume the 359M are cast at $485, forged versions would be $2182.50 each, or $8730 a set.

Yes it's partially nonsense. I hoped you'd take a hint, price comparisons are BS, it's clear that you haven't picked that up.


Correct.


Proof Proof Proof Proof, give me proof.

Except you can't do it with a replica... if BMW(BBS) made the same wheel in forged and cast then your ratio would make sense, but its a rep vs original so your concept is flawed regardless of the process used to make the wheel.

[donovan]

ZCP ...sigh...made a better option for the e46 because of the items..

zcp doesnt mean shit on the e92. Seriously, wheels? I"ve been waiting for someone to start a thread about this ridic'ness. All those crazy ass packages as well, and WTF do we need with Auto high beams WTF.

[walsh]

Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

Haha I was just waiting for someone to post this... It is entertaining isn't it.

[mdosu]

if your car doesn't have ZCP, it's not a real M3. Just like all the sedan and vert owners out there...your car isn't a real M3...