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Only with an unskilled driver!The Corvette system still is way too intrusive and also increases your brake heat big time if you are agressive at all.
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One thing I would like to add is on a track no instructor should allow their student to keep the full DSC system on because you learn nothing of the car's dynamics and what happens when you do finally over step the mark. It's the only place that such a thing is safe to do. |
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I've never heard an instructor say "turn it off" as a direct instruction, I assumed they don't want a student to do something stupid, resulting in damage or injury, and then point to their instructor...can't blame them for that. I agree that PSM will eventually hinder learning, but it's still quite easy to get out of control even with it on, at least on a Porsche. As a practical matter, would one really want to be in a track-virgin green run group with a bunch of Z06s, Mustangs, Vipers and Turbo P-cars where the rule of the morning was TC off? |
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There's plenty to learn as a rank beginner before one should start approaching the limits of adhesion, like how to navigate a track and the line. I agree, once a driver is lighting up TC/ABS all the time but still under control, it's only making the transition to no TC a steeper learning curve. There's nothing more fun than a damp track with TC and ABS off to get the brain in order. Last edited by consolidated; 08-03-2008 at 07:33 PM.. |
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The 2 training tracks that we have in this area both have skidpads and there is also another one not related to any race track that is available.This should be mandatory for any abinitial track schooling or for normal street driving IMO.
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golden gate chapter requires a car control before you track. LA chapter now offers it as part of the Cal speedway event. the best way to learn at the limit with TC fully off is the autocross IMO.
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The one area that early on can be useful for beginners is to show smoothness through corners and control of throttle exiting out of corners. If the DSC is kicking in trim you aggression and once you have learned how to be both smooth with throttle and flowing through the corner then may be the point when DSC should be removed.
Sorry on reflection I reckon my early comments were a little misjudged. I suppose I was thinking on most of the guys that going to this events are regulars. It's also possibly useful to help learn a new course. |
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