So now that the 1M is official as of today (July 9)...

Scoobe · 07-10-2010, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kpneverdies

by the way, is there any information that it'll out perform M3's?
in speed and suspension?

I've only seen information that it will not outperform the M3, was on the 1addicts forum I think. The 1 coupe is pretty portly at 3400lbs. 11 Mustang GT is 100lbs more with 80 more hp. If they hold to the plan of 330hp, they are going to need to shed quite a bit of weight with the 1M to get it close to the M3.

montreal red · 07-10-2010, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Laszlo

Com'on, it's a turbo. Be serious. M is done for. They don't even make engines for the M from scratch anymore. Just part-bin with some big turbos on it. M is gone. :-(

i agree... M is gone. if they continue putting in random engines that they already have in the factory into M cars, then i am sure that my next car is not going to be a BMW anymore.

nowadays, M = marketing, not motorsport.

X5M and X6M in motorsport....

what a bunch of crock.

Leonardo629 · 07-10-2010, 11:29 PM

It should be faster than the Z4M coupe and E46 M3 coupe......

Scoobe · 07-10-2010, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by montreal red

i agree... M is gone. if they continue putting in random engines that they already have in the factory into M cars, then i am sure that my next car is not going to be a BMW anymore.

nowadays, M = marketing, not motorsport.

X5M and X6M in motorsport....

what a bunch of crock.

The news that the V8 was going away in favor of one of the cookie cutter 6 turbo's is what spurred me to order my 11 M3. Even though this M3 is a little heavy, its probably the pinnacle of what the vision was for the car. Cost cutting and government fuel consumption pressures will force their hand into something less unique. In 10 years we'll back to 1990 when a 250hp vette was king.

Nautik · 07-11-2010, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Scoobe

I've only seen information that it will not outperform the M3, was on the 1addicts forum I think. The 1 coupe is pretty portly at 3400lbs. 11 Mustang GT is 100lbs more with 80 more hp. If they hold to the plan of 330hp, they are going to need to shed quite a bit of weight with the 1M to get it close to the M3.

Hmm very good point there... I'm wondering though how "detuned" this 1M really is. We all know BMW is notorious for understating their cars' capability. I'm sure they will say their software is not tunable, accessible, etc. but anything that is programed can be hacked or copied and rebuilt.

So is the 1M really 330hp? Or more likely is it really 360+ that is:
A) power understated by BMW and/or
B) running a really conservative tune?

Obviously there is no real way of knowing that until about this time next year when folks are actually driving the car short of some inside information! But looking at BMW's recent history I tend to believe the 1M is going to bit more than advertised.

ChrisK · 07-11-2010, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by That Nice Guy Beck!

1 series is ugly and is for girls

C'mon that's a ridiculous statement.

Do you remember what everyone said about the e9X body style when it came out? Remember the Pontiac jokes?

ploo · 07-11-2010, 11:27 AM

Of course I might change my story whenever I actually get to drive a production 1M, but am I the only one who would rather have an E46 M3 over a 1M based on the info available now? I still miss my E46 sometimes...

Frozen Black Panther · 07-11-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisK

C'mon that's a ridiculous statement.

Do you remember what everyone said about the e9X body style when it came out? Remember the Pontiac jokes?

looks mickey mouse

330CIZHP · 07-11-2010, 08:13 PM

I have been saying that for a long time.

7000 rpm redline

Snail-paced piston speeds

Turbo lag

Vaccum cleaner sound

When I drove an E46 M3, it felt worlds different from my M-tuned 330 CI ZHP. The power deliver, sound, throttle response, attitude, demeanor was completely different.

Now the difference between a 135 M and 1-M is ridiculously marginal.

Bye bye M. You shall be missed.

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Originally Posted by montreal red

i agree... M is gone. if they continue putting in random engines that they already have in the factory into M cars, then i am sure that my next car is not going to be a BMW anymore.

nowadays, M = marketing, not motorsport.

X5M and X6M in motorsport....

what a bunch of crock.

Frozen Black Panther · 07-11-2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobe

Awesome town, got stationed here and loved it so much I left the military and became a civ.

I was stationed in ft sam in 1995, man what good times we had.......

Alex1911 · 07-11-2010, 10:17 PM

That looks like a really neat car to drive, I don't think the body looks as good as the E90 or the E92, but I think it's pretty trick.

jeffnnj · 07-11-2010, 10:26 PM

Hmmmm, we have an M1 @ my dealership right now and it's GORGEOUS.

aus · 07-12-2010, 01:31 AM

Any idea on price yet?
I'm just thinking you can already change out the 135 suspension arms to the M3 arms, get some coils and tune it to 400+HP pretty easily now and it doesn't break the bank either, so I don't know why the 1addicts guys are so excited. You do get the fender flairs with the 1M.

karussell · 07-12-2010, 01:46 AM

its going to be $50K with any type of options on it. you would seriously take a new BMW and mess with it so you can haggle with dealership on warranty issues when the HPFP or whatever else breaks on the N54. for the money one of these costs, i would totally rock an E30 M3 in all its boxy, lightweight, and revy S14 happiness. That was actually a real descendent of the M1 since they just chopped two cylinders off the block and put it in a tiny E30.

double_j · 07-12-2010, 09:58 AM

I have a feeling it will slot closer to the 335is than the M3.

Too close to the M3 in performance and they'll cannibalize a ton of M3 sales.

Given equal performance, I'd definitely go with the 1 over the 3 for the price alone.

ChrisK · 07-12-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Laszlo

Very doubtful and this M1 isn't even close to the e46 M3. What I had hoped for was BMW would put the e46 M3 engine into the M1 (with some technology enhancements), lighten it up, give it a face lift, then launch a very limited number. Does this "thing" even come with LSD?

The 135i in its current form matches the e46 M3 in performance. The M1 will be de-tuned so it doesn't over take the M3, but will definitely over take the e46 M3.

I have friends with both e92 M3's and 135i's. Just because you think the 135i/M1 is ugly, doesn't mean it won't tear the track up.

SalM · 07-12-2010, 10:32 AM

Wait so the V6 Turbo Charged M3 is coming out in summer of 2012?

ChrisK · 07-12-2010, 10:36 AM

I6 - never a V6.

The new M3 is supposed to have the same twin-twin scroll N55 engine that is going into the M1, just higher output.

We need wait and see what's going on. The reports from C&D contradict what Scott26 has been saying all along about the engine and output.

I wonder if BMW made a change in the plan recently and decided to keep the N54 motor in the M1 (adding the PPkg instead, aka 335is, etc.)

mkoesel · 07-12-2010, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by That Nice Guy Beck!

1 series is ugly and is for girls

Dude. Reality check. You drive a white convertible.

Poll 10 girls and 9 of them will say your car is a more of a chick car than black 1M coupe. Believe it.

mkoesel · 07-12-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SalM

Wait so the V6 Turbo Charged M3 is coming out in summer of 2012?

I give up.

Yep. Turbo M3 V6 out in two years. AWD optional. Nissan GTR styling package optional. Only comes in pink and purple.

kevinD · 07-12-2010, 01:06 PM

i love all the people preaching about the M being a true motorsports car, yet (most) have never tracked the M they drive, or never actually driven it in any for of motor sport. so if you never race it, is it an M? or just a badge?

i personally cant wait for the turbo M3. i'll definately be getting a turbo M. the current V8 is somewhat quick, but not even close to as fast as it should be. not to mention it gets like 1970's level of fuel economy. it does look sweet though...

Scoobe · 07-12-2010, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kevinD

i love all the people preaching about the M being a true motorsports car, yet (most) have never tracked the M they drive, or never actually driven it in any for of motor sport. so if you never race it, is it an M? or just a badge?

i personally cant wait for the turbo M3. i'll definately be getting a turbo M. the current V8 is somewhat quick, but not even close to as fast as it should be. not to mention it gets like 1970's level of fuel economy. it does look sweet though...

You have any idea how difficult it is to have a V8 churn 8400rpm? This engine is one of a kind on the street, and with it gone in a year, a fleeting masterpiece of engineering. Future generations of this motor would have been awesome to see.

And it is a STREET car with RACE technology. Not a race car on the street.

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aus Major General 892 Rep 9,032 Posts Drives: Odysse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA iTrader: (10)	Any idea on price yet? I'm just thinking you can already change out the 135 suspension arms to the M3 arms, get some coils and tune it to 400+HP pretty easily now and it doesn't break the bank either, so I don't know why the 1addicts guys are so excited. You do get the fender flairs with the 1M. __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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kevinD Private 0 Rep 93 Posts Drives: 04 evo 8 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: irving, TX iTrader: (0)	i love all the people preaching about the M being a true motorsports car, yet (most) have never tracked the M they drive, or never actually driven it in any for of motor sport. so if you never race it, is it an M? or just a badge? i personally cant wait for the turbo M3. i'll definately be getting a turbo M. the current V8 is somewhat quick, but not even close to as fast as it should be. not to mention it gets like 1970's level of fuel economy. it does look sweet though... __________________ '07 335xi '10 tundra crewmax tow vehicle '03 evo 8 unlimited time attack car, 600whp, 2600lbs '08 evo X parts car (future time attack car)
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