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The 7:29 time for the GTR is quite optimistic.....think about it.....look at all the other cars that are sub 7:40 are wicked exotics....even the Veyron is 7:40 with a power to weight of 4.3.... I did see a time of 7:50 for a GTR and that seems about right given its power-weight-street tires-tire size.... Yes the AWD helps a bit and the tranny helps a bit...
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GTR will be lucky to break 8 minutes...consider:
997TT 3500/480/PSC's/best Ring driver around/7:54 GTR 3900/480/street tires/????/> 7:54 the 997TT has much more torque over a wider band... |
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05-17-2008, 10:35 PM | #26 |
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What are you guys talking about? The GTR already broke 8, in fact it broke 7:30.
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I wish I saved photos from the run, but the car clearly has suspension work done to it. |
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I'm only saying that an increase of only 5 seconds on the 13 mile ring by going to R compounds seems low. Just curious, have you driven the ring? Because I would not say that "lots of turns are banked" in fact some turns are off camber. I know the Glen does have banked turns, all of them are banked.
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05-18-2008, 07:55 PM | #30 | |
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autoSport has run laps same car, same driver, sport vs non-sport...works out ~5 sec...I'm guessing the difference between the PS2's and PSC+'s is probably less depending on conditions: nice, hot, dry day more... overcast ~50F ~ same damp and cool, probably less never been, but have an accurate track map, and most have banking, not a lot on some, but eneough to clear water...makes sense, it was built as a race track... iirc correctly both the M3 and CSL were run on cooler days... sportAUTO lists the weather conditions |
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same times: Zonda 2700/650/630/sport tires/dry/race driver GTR 3900/480/435/street tires/damp/???? does not compute...a lb/HP 1/2 as much, 4.15 vs 8.13! not to mention the tires...worth at least 5 seconds... |
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not in this intertial reference frame or dimension |
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i certainly believe it.
if you were to tell me that a car weighing almost 4000 lbs, has 6 gears, and *only* 480 hp could post 0-60 times of 3.1 - 3.2 sec, id say you were fucking crazy. but guess what, it does. and theres video to prove it. the only thing i dont believe pertaining to the gtr is that it has 480 horses, id bet its upwards of 500 at least. |
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I've seen times as high as 3.8 sec... and tests where it is much slower than the Z06 and 997TT, 2 sec to 120 mph http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...6911_chart.pdf which take > 7:50 with semi-slicks and the best Ring driver in the world... and all 3 are ~ the same to 60, that stat is meaningless when talking Ring times... |
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youve missed my point. im telling you that on paper the numbers dont tell the whole story, as in the 0-60 example. im well aware you only start once during a lap, bro (if not a rolling start...).
as new technology becomes available, our perception of what's possible needs to change. theres a whole lot of technology in the gtr, i dont think nissan is bullshitting the world with this. theyve spent nearly a decade developing this vehicle to be a porsche killer of supercar status, and it is. |
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The laws of physics do not break......however Nissan seems to have done a good job bending them a little bit.....BUT the simple fact remains that how does a car 100% "stock" run times around the ring that are equal to top level super cars with at least 600hp and far less weight.... Remember the ring is a fairly high speed track & at higher speeds both the 997TT and Z06 WALK AWAY from the GTR...many graphs have shown this..... So whatever advantage it gets by gearing at AWD is lost on the longer straights....
Of course having a skilled driver accounts for A LOT....still a stock GTR does 7:29....I call serious BS on this.....& why would Nissan do it....for publicity plain and simple...make some outrageous claims that ZERO people have been able to verifiy yet.... get all kinds of chatter in online forums equals more car sales for you...then once someone owns the car and finds out (after crashing) that they can't break 8:00 at the ring, what does Nissan care..they just sell them another GTR!!
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Ok, no need to restart this thread. You guys believe whatever you want to believe.
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I would say tech makes a big difference...if we were comparing this to non-tech cars...but the fact that Porsche has been building sports cars for 60 yrs leads me to believe that nissan will not have some kind of quantum leap advantage over them...I'm an engineer, I believe in science, not magic the Zonda, well, 1200 lbs lighter, 170+ HP, 100+ lb ft, semi-slicks, racing driver, on a dry track...same time? I'm a tad skeptical |
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to make it even more 'questionable' the 997TT did 7:54, with no less than Horst at the wheel in the dry, with PSC's, same HP, more torque over a wider band and 350 lbs lighter... 25 sec difference... people, please don't confuse healthy skepticism with hatin' 7:54 --- 156.46 km/h -- Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/1620 kg (sport auto 06/07) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=2&tID=126501 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPvBu...e=user&search= |
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im a bmw fanboy myself, but you cant deny the machine nissan has created. even if you throw out the 7:29 time and go by the 7:38 RECORDED run, thats still fucking unbelievable. deal with it. off topic - i see youre in stockton, that heatwave mustve been killing you last week. thursday was fucking hell. |
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