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dooma its good to see that your sticking to your guns. It must be strange knowing that this one case could become case law for all future ebay transactions. Ive been lurking since page 3 and im sorry for giving them ideas to call the dealership making shill sales calls, I only did it that one time a few days ago, not the multiple times like i said i was going to in my post, mainly cause i worked an overnight shift and passed out and forgot about it lol.
Thanks for acknowledging all of us who have tried to help you, you have really gone out of your way to keep a bunch of people who have no idea who you are up to date. let this be a lesson to all of those who practice unethical business practices, you can hide behind all the institutions in the world that you can buy out, you CANNOT hide from our anonymity of the internet, you however are not anonymous. we know who you are and we wont EVER buy a car from you no matter what dealership you go to. and with the web, we WILL know where you work for the rest of your lives. To the other salesmen at the office, especially one named jeff, your a good guy and i hop good things happen to you, find a reputable dealer to work for. |
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But I am extremely surprised at Fil's behavior, and I hope I got this straight: The lawyers and managers of the company that "owns" Husker BMW have cut a deal with Ken and his lawyer which came out to exactly the ebay deal, right? Both of the iitially requested conditions were cancelled, the price of 60k + some fees was confirmed? Right so far. Then Ken goes to pay the deposit at Husker and Fil goes ballistic and refuses to take the payment. Right? Ken, do you have an independent witness that you held up your deadline? Was your lawyer there? I think Fil might have received a phone call informing him that he/Husker has lost the war. He received instruction to sign the capitulation and take deposit payment. And then he may have decided to not take it and deny Ken's visit. So I hope this is just genuine insanity on Fils part and not a concerted tactic trying to con you again. If it was Fils idea... well... Anyone here in Nebraska with experience in the car sales business interested in taking the position of Sales Manager at a crisisridden BMW dealership? Must like challenges and have a decent haircut/barber. Inquire within, position to be vacant soon... |
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03-26-2008, 04:37 PM | #1235 |
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This dealership is a real piece of work. Defiant in the face of their own stupidity. Some real A-holes you are dealing with.
Good to hear about those conditions going away. Real scammers. I would hate to know any of those individuals at that dealer.
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You have my full support man! Don't let them grind you down!
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03-26-2008, 04:43 PM | #1237 | |
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03-26-2008, 04:44 PM | #1238 |
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dude sue their pants off..
Husker staff's interesting pics. http://www.huskerbmw.com/index.cfm?action=staff |
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03-26-2008, 04:45 PM | #1241 |
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I've been following for quite some time. The GM of the dealership is beyond comprehension. He's going to have a hard time defending himself to his own lawyers.
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03-26-2008, 04:49 PM | #1242 |
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Ken- Stick with it buddy. It's only a matter of time before the dealership will succumb to logical, rational thinking and understand the $5 to $10K which they are bickering over, is simply not worth it.
Frankly, it seems that senior management at BMW of Lincoln, either collectively failed every course in Business, or flunked out of University altogether. They have lost, and are losing more grounds over an immaterial price difference from $60K (which they will still receive) and FMV(MSRP) of what, $70. Like I said, it’s only a matter of time buddy!
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I'm trying to guesstimate how many sales BMW of Lincoln has lost because of this. I suspect the lost profit is quite higher than the ~8-10k they were out because of their original stupidity.
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I'm not surprised at all in this "development", it was a magic trick after all once they started talking about conditions. Since the very first moment that these rabid monkeys set that eBay auction at $60,000 with the title "CHEAPEST M3 on eBay" they knew exactly what they were doing, and they continue to do so even after this blunder spit back at their faces. Everything that they do is purely intentional. That's not being stupid, that's just being a bunch of bad mofos. Apparently eBay is out of this mess, as so far there has been no update of their decision -if any. That's something that doesn't surprise me either, because I never doubt that once this was out of the eBay domain this was going only to be a nasty legal battle. I only hope that you can fuck them up real good in court. And I'm not going to apologize for this comment... |
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03-26-2008, 04:58 PM | #1247 | |
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That's exactly my point I posted above. If was on the board/partial owner of this dealership location, I would seriously fire each individual placed in a managerial position there.
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Dooma: do not buy this car under any terms except the ones listed here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ksid=p3907.m32
Your bid means you agreed to the terms listed in the auction and those alone and are a legal binding contract. Agree to noting else other than what is written in the auction... Keep up the fight!! |
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Your Dealer Contact Name: Adriann Summers Department: Administration Email: acrowder@huskerautogroup.com Phone: 402-479-7502 Fax: 402-479-7652 Just use the area code 402 number and a cell phone. Many fine providers, such as Sprint and Verizon, give you free long distance, so you may clog the lines and answering machines to your content! I'm sure other numbers are readily available on their site as well. |
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> he [Fil Catania] also refused to take my credit card! In essence, he has
> rejected the deal corporate counsel for the parent company had worked > out with my lawyer last night. Damn it! Another one of my predictions all shot to hell. Fil won't be scheduled to attend charm school after all - he will be fired for wilfull insubordination. It's really, really unwise to refuse to follow the specific directions of VTAIG's corporate counsel. I'm gonna send the guy flowers. No; really, flowers. |
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it won't even matter if BMW corporate financed the legal battle. the dealership, which is a representative of the automaker, is gonna have to REALLY work hard to get trust back, if they even can.. |
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03-26-2008, 05:08 PM | #1253 |
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Ken:
I have been watching this develop since your first post this past weekend. As a BMW car fan, a E92 M3 owner, and as a lawyer, I am fascinated by this story and respect your resolve. The negative PR for this dealership--especially on the internet--is truly astonishing. While I don't agree with their conduct--in fact I am adamantly opposed to dealerships that behave in this manner--I am not surprised the dealership tried to hardball you at the outset. What astonishes me, however, is when the pr machine started to get rolling, the dealership failed to realize how much positive publicity it could have generated by simply honoring the deal. They simply could not have gotten more positive pr for their buck than if they had just agreed to eat the $6,000 and sell you the car at the final auction price. Your story, combined with reading many of the other postings, including a posting that included a link to the Edmunds article called Confessions of a Car Salesman http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying...2/article.html has helped expose the systemic nature of the shady (and often illegal) business practices in which the car dealers engage. As many others have said, car dealerships, like any other business, are entitled to make a profit, but the way in which they make their profit is so inherently dishonest that it is truly offensive (yes, this is coming from a lawyer--no flames, please). Anyway, good luck and continue to let your legal counsel work for your interests. I know California has an unfair business practices law that should allow you to recover attorneys fees from the dealership when you win. I am not sure in what state the litigation will take place, but hopefully you will get your car and end up recovering any damages and attorneys' fees from what certainly appears to be an unscrupulous dealer. |
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They can get rid of all the media attention, in fact save face and get positive coverage only if they SOLD (not gave) you the car for 60K and took the 10K loss. They are total idiots for risking everything over 10K.
I hope this news at least makes the local TV news in Lincoln, NB so it ruins their reputation and local customer base not only for BMW but for all brand they sell. Anybody good any media connections? |
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