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Me vs. SRT8
I'm cruising home after some errands this afternoon and pull up behind a Challenger SRT8. Despite the fact that I've sat in this car and it's a tub, it does look really nice in black, very American muscle.
My new friend and I swap order and then come up to the next light (I think I saw a soul-patch on the guy but them it may have just been that Dolphins Crying was on the radio). I'm thinking... this guy has 470 horses, 460+ foot pounds and that racing him isn't a good idea. But I'm curious... We soon find ourselves rolling at 30 mph and I decide to see if I can leave this guy. Logic be damned I floor it.... wait wait... third (MT6)... wait... fourth... I look behind me and my friend is a total of 10 feet from my rear bumper. We are approaching a couple cars and I slide into the left lane from the right and then decide to lift as (and this is an important detail) we are in a 45 mph zone. No need to kill any families, I'm thinking. As I lift I hear this thunderous roar coming around the far left, and by farI mean on the other side of the double yellow. It's the black mamba roaring around. Soon there is a Dikembe Mutombo finger wave saluting me from an open sunroof (the finger also had a soul patch). Now I've been on the track with the SRT8 and lapped them up with relative ease (track has lots of corners and short straights), but I'll admit I was pretty impressed with the sound and menacing street speed of a 47k car. I hope the next M3 gives me the 400 foot pounds so my Bravarian ego can aviod these minor distractions...
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10-17-2011, 01:42 AM | #4 |
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And people ask why BMW adds turbo's. Because of threads like this. You want gobs of torque, go buy a C63 AMG. An ///M car is about the Chassis. Not 1000 hp and 203984049 billion foot pounds of torque so the car can't corner.
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It used to be that an M car was also about the control of the manual transmission and a high revving naturally aspirated engine. The manual trans bit is dying out now that we have DCT and DCT is faster. And the bit about an M car being all about a high revving naturally aspirated engine will die out also. Why was the high revving naturally aspirated engine needed? So you could stay in gear longer around the racetrack? DCT shifts so quickly, that advantage is immaterial. So it could make more power? A turbo will allow a smaller engine to make both more power and, perhaps more importantly, more torque. So the driver could manage the power better because the torque comes in slowly and gradually and there really is not that much of it? Traction control will help the driver put the power down just like DCT helps the driver shift better. We may even see a performance AWD system from BMW at some point. |
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With good traction control, you can just put your foot down with the turbo engine and electronics will take care of the rest. Just like with a DCT shifting for you. Just like with ABS braking for you. I have had a 463 rwhp/368 lb rwtq centrifugal supercharged E36 M3, a 521 rwhp/517 lb rwtq turbocharged E36 M3, and a stock naturally aspirated E90 M3. The turbo is by far the most entertaining, at least to me. I won't try for a minute to defend the current M3 against the future turbo version. I am sure the next generation turbo M3 will be a lot of fun and am confident it will be faster in a straight line and around a racetrack. Each successive generation M3 thus far has been faster and better handling. |
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Traction control will help soccer moms trying to drive an M3, and it will annoy enthusiast who are tracking their cars.
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Ease up guys. I understand the OP is just saying he would like more torque. There is nothing wrong with that. I too would like more torque. I dont think anybody is knocking the high revving V8 we all love but there is nothing wrong with wanting more. We all know the M is not a drag car and shows its real skill on the track but still, if the S65 had another 100 lbs of torque would anybody be complaining?
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Amen!!!
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I don't know if many people go to track to get around as fast as possible. I know I don't. I don't see myself buying any modern car for track duty... I'm still looking at cars like lotus elise/exige, porsche 944, e30/36 m3 etc...
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How many actually read this number? I didn't...
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Okay, let's get this straight: An E90/92 M3 will easily take a new SRT8 Challenger. They're quick, but they're extremely heavy. I think the fastest 0-60 I've seen was about 4.4-4.5 seconds. The M3, with a proper driver, will easily do that, and faster. The Challenger, more due to its weight, takes a little getting used to when launching.
Cool car, interesting to drive, but not faster than the M3. Maybe if you're at highway speeds it'll take you.
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I don't think it is fair to say the OP is a bad driver. He says he has track experience and has left the Challenger behind on the track, presumably due to the turns. Here, he raced from 30 mph all the way through 3rd gear and into 4th gear. I'll guesstimate 30-100 mph, and the Charger was 10 feet off his bumper. That length of run does away with the explanation that it was a brief race in which the weak but long and steady torque M3 was caught off guard and the strong but short and mountain-like torque Charger had the advantage.
Maybe the Charger was modified? Maybe the E9x M3 with 6MT is not usually as fast as the fastest magazine times/speeds. |
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