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07-16-2012, 11:33 AM | #23 |
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This. DSC off should be reserved for the track. This car is much too powerful to be fooling around on the street with DSC off. Sorry, just had to say it.
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IMO you should treat driving with MDM on the same as if you have DSC off -- it should be a safety net for if you make a mistake, not an electronic nanny to intentionally trigger. Outside of helping to prevent instances like this, it just teaches and reinforces better driving habits, especially if you later drive a car without electronic aids!
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07-16-2012, 12:25 PM | #27 |
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DSC off is soooooo dangerous if you do not know what you are doing. i was in full mode on sat and took a turn a little too much and felt the correction, just as a car passed by on the left. were i in DSC off, he would have had a face full of my left rear. would have been a disaster.
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07-16-2012, 01:52 PM | #30 | |
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I'm not mentioning this as a reason to drive around on the street with DSC off; frankly if it's that intrusive, you are probably driving poorly. However, if DSC off gets you in that much trouble, such jumping medians or spinning the car, I'd say it's time to either get a different car more within your driving limits, or get some classes to improve your driving skills stat.
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07-16-2012, 02:25 PM | #31 | |
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you are giving your self FAR too much credit as a good driver |
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07-16-2012, 03:03 PM | #32 | |
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07-16-2012, 03:27 PM | #34 | |
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That said, you missed my point entirely. I'm not doubting DSC isn't effective, in fact I've never driven with it all off since I've owned the car, and I've probably driven <5% in MDM. However, the main reason why stability control is lowering accident rates is that about 80-90% of the population in the US drives like crap, mostly due to our lax licensing laws, so for that population, every little bit helps. Furthermore, yes the 60/70s muscle cars did crash a lot because (all gross generalizations) a) they had no suspension b) they had no brakes c) lots of bad drivers back then too, some things never change. My real point was that if 5 minutes after turning DSC off you get yourself into (or close to) an accident on dry roads, perhaps it's time to consider a car with lower limits, and work your way up to an M3 once driving skill improves.
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07-16-2012, 03:37 PM | #35 | |
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dsc exists to protect drivers of all skills. those that choose to turn it off do so at their risk. at the PCD, turning off dsc even on the tracks there is not only frowned upon, it's grounds for dismissal. even EXCELLENT drivers like you can get in trouble with it off. so get off your high horse andretti |
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To the OP and post #2. Learn how to drive, or don't touch the DSC. The M3 is very controlable car, no reason why a good driver would lose control with DSC off. |
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Wayyy too many posts about crashing and spinning out. These cars are not that powerful.. And they are making power at high RPM so yes that means half of the wrecks are people driving like idiots. While TC/and other things (abs etc) are nice, a good driver doesn't need them. My girlfriends Pontiac * GT is much worse due to all the torque it has down low and she drives it every day. How many people need nanny electronics for driving?? How many more posts are we gonna read about "DSC off, Crashed car... Is it totaled?" Maybe driving lessons are in order?? |
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I hate to break it to some users
But If you need DSC to avoid crashing You are not a good driver, period What did people do in the 90s before stability control was standard? They did not crash all the time and kill countless little children Some did, but I guarantee you, the ones that crashed are the same class of driver who buys an M3 to show off with, even though his driving skills aren't at it's level. People here act like turning off DSC is the same as playing Russian roulette It's not, if you know what you are doing And if you don't, then you really shouldn't be driving this car.
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So commuting home today, I decided to try it for the first time with DSC off. Seriously, why didn't anyone warn me that was the "wheels fall off" button. You don't know how embarrassing it is sitting in the intersection, cars swerving around you, wheels rolling off down the road. I will NOT be doing that again.
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Apparently the requirement for "knowing what you are doing" consists of going on an internet forum and posting that you know what you are doing.
The Skip Barber High Performance Driving School does not allow the nannies to be turned off. I spoke to the chief instructor who told me that if they did their cars would all be destroyed by drivers who "know what they are doing". But I agree if DSC is that intrusive you are doing something wrong. If you want to experiment with DSC off do it in a controlled environmen, a empty parking lot or preferably a good driving school with a good instructor .
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