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I’m really interested in seeing how the 2015 M4 with twin turbo’s is going to stack up to the Porsche, when you look at the numbers the Porsche which cost $40,000 to $60,000 more than the dated e9x platform M3 isn’t beating the M3 by much! So to all who are jumping ship & going over to Porsche aren’t you’ll just a little curious that you might be jumping ship a little too soon? From what I understand the new M4 is going to be lighter & have a lot more torque as well as hp compared to our e9x M3, not to mention the fact of the ease of tuning the new M4 (being turbo & all)
I was reading an article about the new M5 (with the V8 twin turbo setup) in the May issue of European Car which came from the factory with 560hp with a tune it was putting out 646hp & 570 lb-ft…..just sayin! I’m not all that thrilled about the M3 being called the M4 or the fact that we’re losing our NA V8 but a twin turbo V6 M changes the game. When you look at the New Porsche GT3 (arguably the best Porsche in production) curb weight 3,153 475 hp 325 lb-ft msrp $130,400. Then we have the Audi R8 in full trim curb weight 3,605 5.2 liter FSI® V10 550 hp 398 lb-ft. msrp $170,000. And the Nissan GTR curb weight 3,829 545hp 463lb-ft. msrp $99,590 In pure speculation let’s just throw out some numbers, let say the new M4 comes in at a curb weight of 3,400 460hp 375lb-ft msrp $75,000 (those number are very realistic) with a $1500 tune it would kick ass (if you assume the tune would be good for about 100hp increase & a gain of 75 to 100 lb-ft) The GT3, GTR & the R8 which would be almost double the price (except for the GTR which comes in at $25,000 more) would be in the cross hairs of the M4! I guess what I’m saying is before I can jump ship I have to at least see the numbers on the M4! I love my M3….. is it the fastest? No! However, imho it’s the most well rounded sports car you can buy, the question at hand is will the new M4 make up for it not being the fastest?
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08-12-2013, 04:19 PM | #53 | |
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For that amount of $$$, you could get a new GTR, a used 911T, or you could have a new M3 with mods: an intercooled S/C, titanium exhaust, BBK, coils, tires for the same price (actually less). The M3 will be fastest in a roll race. From a dead stop the M3 will be playing catch-up and perhaps it's all even by the end of the quarter mile. At the track who knows...the M3 has stepped it up with coils/brakes/tires but the stock GTR and 911T are formidable and which one is faster really depends on the particular track and driver competency. My guess is that for a novice, the GTR and 911T will be faster given the grip levels. All three cars will be tons of fun. Sure with unlimited $$$ you could make the 911T and GTR way faster. But that's not really what the OP was after.
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Throwing modded vehicles into car buying equations is a mistake IMO. You're presuming that the entry price is all you're going to fork out. Modded vehicles by their very nature cost more because of warranty and depreciation issues.
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Depends on what the OP wants out of a weekend car. Do they want to go to the track, cruise or drive to the golf course. Although the 911 is an awesome car, I do not find it practical, no room for anything. I just sold my GTR and it had plenty of space in the trunk, backseat was too small but as one person mentioned, they hold their value. I purchased an 09 with 9000 miles for 65k and sold it 2 years later for 64k. M3 with a pile of mods would be a cool option but would much less cost effective. I say GTR, the car is an absolute animal.
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There are a lot of other considerations. And it's sad that most of these conversations are about numbers and speculation. My SC'd M3 pulls on a stock GTR from a roll and on the freeway (not by much) but I guarantee that on a track I'd get destroyed. The GTR is AWD and makes power all over the RPM range. One or two CHEAP mods and the GTR will DESTROY a SC'd M3. Can send you video later if I could bring myself to make one.... (buddy has the modded GTR) Anyway, it's all about personal preference. I would have bought a GTR and would rather drive a RWD car around the track any day. I'm one of the few people that don't put the GTR on a pedestal as the interior blows, the electronics, the stereo, etc. The transmissions are clunky...I'd prefer a car with a little more refinement. I'll give it props for being good at what it's good at..being really damn fast - especially at the track. |
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I would vote for gt3 rs 4.0.
The car is so special. That being said its a one trick pony - drive it hard on the weekends, take it to the track, just stare at it. Not many around. The other choice would be m3 SC. I dont think its special as the first car i mentioned although its pretty damn special. More special than a 911T or a gtr that you see a lot of on the streets. All four choices are great but they have to be driven hard to be enjoyed! |
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I guess GTR, but it's too good for a weekend car! I'd want something that is amazing to look at and drive, but at the end of the drive on Sunday look at it and say, "Boy am I glad I don't have to drive that another five days."
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I think we understand that which is why one would need to take that into account as well. I did this very thing before deciding upon the M3 which including determining future residual value of the mods (I purchased the S/C and exhaust before I even had the M3) and including installation/troubleshooting costs and factoring in having no warranty oh and course making sure the M3 was leased in the first place with it's already nice residual value
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Just curious.. Wouldn't SC mod void the warranty on your leased M3 and cause problem when you turn in your vehicle at the lease end? (assuming your lease is less than 39 months..) |
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