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01-28-2014, 10:01 PM | #67 | |
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01-28-2014, 10:08 PM | #68 | |
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I guess we will have to wait and see comparos. One thing is for sure though the M4 already beat the Lexus is the looks department LOL. Also is there any information about the exact hp and lb on the Lexus? Im especially eager to find out the torque figures. |
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01-29-2014, 01:29 AM | #69 |
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lol one of my buddy has that car and I have driven it ALOT. The car lacks the soul of the M and it's HUGE, even comparing to my E90. Torque vectoring system is nice since you can kind of steer using the throttle but still a PIG lol.
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01-29-2014, 12:17 PM | #74 | ||
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And by the way, the announced figures by BMW are with 90% fuel and no driver! Free to you to believe it or not but I don't see any good reasons for them to publicly lie about the weight of their cars! |
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01-29-2014, 12:31 PM | #75 | |
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The official press release from Lexus: http://www.lexus.com/concept/RCF/_pdf/RCF-2.pdf "Less than 3968lbs" is the targeted weight. |
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A lot of upcoming releases are that way now: approximate. Too much good stuff coming out and companies don't want to tip their hand Take the upcoming Z06, for example. Estimates only, no confirmation on actual numbers.
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01-29-2014, 09:21 PM | #78 |
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That's what baffles me when people have relentlessly complained about e90 m3s weight when the weight is right at 3500-3550 as confirmed by the above poster with duct. This is only 100 pounds heavier than the e46 and
I am positive the f80 will realistically weigh 3500 pounds at least with duct. Maybe more. So there really us no weight loss. People don't understand numbers. Eu kerb or unladen is 160 pound driver, 20 pounds of fuel(5gallons), and and 20 pounds cargo. That's 200 pounds that needs to be subtracted from the quited 3700 pounds and comes in exactly where people are seeing on scales. 3550 is damn light considering corvette is even 3300 pounds these days. On the Lexus topic, I will likely get this car to add to e92. 5l v8 revving to 7600 ROMs with a tune easy and making 500 plus his a much more rewarding driving experience than turbo M3.no doubt m will be faster but for those of us who don't race our cars, most would enjoy the screaming exhaust of high revving v8, the sound alone. The instant throttle response and the fun of driving it in high rpm to extract power. Love the new f |
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And if you search or read page 2, someone weighed their car and it was 3550 with fully loaded dct. This is prime example if so wine unable to understand simple data and then propagate erroneous opinions that the car is 3700 pounds and wayyy to big. Show me any non supercar that weighs close to 3500? F80 will be no lighter. They marketed the 3300 pounds without driver, luggage and fuel vs marketing e90 with all of that. It will come in at 3500 a |
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Car and Driver, 2008 E92 M3: 3704 lb. Link. Motortrend, 2008 E92 M3: 3678 lb. Link. Road and Track, 2008 E92 M3: 3650 lb (est). Link. BMW on BMWUSA.com reports weights with 90% fuel, 68 kg driver (standardized whether or not we all weigh the same amount) 7 kg of cargo and options which are present on some significant portion of all cars (perhaps 33% IIRC). This figure for the E92 M3 with M-DCT is 3704 lb. When BWM reports 1500 kg / 3300 lb for the new M4 is it indeed without driver, thus this is inconsistent with their own website. So no, not lying, but playing games and getting folks excited over an apples to apples comparison. A more accurate claims is that the new M4 is 80 kg lighter than a similarly equipped E92 M3. All of this points to about 3550 lb for the M4 in an APPLES TO APPLES comparison with the E92 M3 at 3704 lb.
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No Lexus is most likely not playing the same BS marketing games with the weight of the RC-F. Their numbers are almost for sure with fuel and driver. I might be optimistic at 3850 but without a ton of options that very well might be possible. I hope they under promise and over deliver, precisely the opposite of what BMW is doing...
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In this comparo C&D weighted a manual e92 M3 at 3571lbs without driver, that's almost exactly 1620kg, you want a bet even a DCT M4 wont be this heavy!? http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...-bmw-m3-page-4 here they quotes 1655kg for a DCT http://www.automobile-sportive.com/g...erline-e90.php |
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01-29-2014, 11:01 PM | #83 | |
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All this "OMG WTF are BMW doing going to turbo engines!! The end of the V8" makes me laugh. It happened when the M5 went from a V10 to a twin turbo V8 little did we know that the f10 M5 shits on the old m5 |
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Speed and acceleration is not the most important thing to everyone. I much much prefer the e60 m5 over f10 as I've driven both many times. Once you are in 450 HP land, it becomes more interesting and enjoyable to have an amazing exhaust and intake soundtrack and to enjoy working the engine to get power out at high revs. Maybe I'm the only one but to me that makes for w much more enjoyable driver. Of course the new M3 will embaras the e90. No question. But irrelevant. My tuned cat less dct is as fast as I can handle on streets while still able to wind out revs in a few gears. The f10 for example, you are over 75 mph in 2 seconds and to me that is boring after novelty wears off
UOTE=Maddict3;15358653]OH God! you're one of those.. how can you determine the Lexus is more rewarding to drive if you havent driven any of them. All this "OMG WTF are BMW doing going to turbo engines!! The end of the V8" makes me laugh. It happened when the M5 went from a V10 to a twin turbo V8 little did we know that the f10 M5 shits on the old m5[/QUOTE] |
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Now that being said, if you are personally svelte, get no options on your car and get the CSiC brakes, the second digit will most likely dip down to 4.
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