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As I guy who is already driving a V8 N/A I know the benefit of it and it's down falls, benefits being instant throttle response but they are real gas guzzlers, all of them and the M3 would be no different. The benefits of the V6 Bi-turbo is when not kaning the thing it's economy is similar to the V6 N/A engine which are easier than a V8, plus the tuning abilities are much greater, it's normally lighter which improves handling, it's shorter with less over-hang. Maybe it's me but I just love the sound of saying 'Yeah, I drive a twin-turbo', how cool is that. |
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Absolutely. But will you only consider the TT if it is an S4/S5, and not if it were an A4/A5? If so, why? As BMW is set to show us, there is room in the market for both the turbo 6 and the V8.
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Maybe it's me, but the standard Audis never really appeal to me, unless it's a sportie model I can't get excited, the same applies to the 335i, I know it's a great machine and in M/Sport mode it looks the part, but there is a part of me which will always be saying you should have gone for the sports model. |
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11-08-2007, 04:25 PM | #70 | |
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S5 6MT (base) , White Exterior \ Black Leather = $52,575 335Xi 6MT w/ 18s, Sport Pkg, Prem Pkg, Htd Seats, Sirius, USB = $48,420 The price difference is 8.6% when comparing similarly equipped cars. -Adam |
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11-09-2007, 07:53 AM | #71 |
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Thanks Smoltz for clearly that up for us. So you are basically saying in the States spec for spec the 335i is only 8.6% cheaper. That's not that much and when you factor in the more exclusiveness of the S5 over the 335i, it more unique body panels, seats, dials, etc. over the normal A5 (something that the 335i doesn't have) and I reckon it's worth the difference in price.
But then I knew that as I did already pick the S5 over the 335i. Good as the S5 is though it's no match for the M3. |
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To answer the OP question: yes, I think that the S5 is a threat in sales to the M3. At less than $56,000 nicely equipped (Nav, premium audio, all the electronic options), nicely designed inside and out and great all weather performance, there's no question about it, IMO. All out performance and prestige-wise, no it is not, and it is not its purpose. That's the RS5 job... |
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11-09-2007, 12:50 PM | #73 | |
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I think its very fair to say that, if Audi was set to compete for the 335i customer with the S5, then they would go ahead and offer the car in $40k guise minus some of those options. Its no secret that - whether you agree with it or not - the average consumer is attracted by (or repelled by) the base price of a car. I'm quite confident we'll a 300hp+ B8 A4. Whether I'm correct about it getting the turbo V6 instead of the S4, well that remains to be seen. |
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Re the 335i vs the S5: Is it fair to say that you're getting V-8 rumble, AWD and exclusivity for an additional 8.6%? Not a bad deal....
BTW, I can't see how anyone can compare the M3 to the S5 - there in a different performance class..and the M3 costs $10,000+ more! |
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Go to the BMW Dealer and tell me what the average price of a 335i is, most dealers load them up because that's what people buy. I agree with you that pyschologically people shop by base price, but most 335i's that aren't ordered have stickers in the mid to high 40s. -Adam |
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I don't want to say something out of place here, just in case you happen to drive a 335ix but I will tell you this, when you start to compare the x-drive to quattro there isn't any comparison. Quattro has an uncanny nack at finding grip where there is none, the brother drives an X5 and where his car starts to spin the wheels due to very slippery conditions my S5 has no problems at all. I am sure many here will disagree with this and show numerous evidence for it, I can only say what I personally have experienced. |
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BMW has made substantial improvement to their AWD system in recent years. The AWD in my 2003 325xi was laughable, I have heard numerous reports though that the newer system is substantially better, but I have no personal experience with it. I have also owned a 2004 S4 and although the system was far better than the 2003 325xi it is still not as good as my Subaru 2.5GT. Ultimatley it's all relative. In terms of the 335xi vs. S5 AWD, I would be leery of declaring a victor without seeing an extensive test or conducting extensive testing of my own. -Adam |
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Smoltz,
Sorry mate, I didn't want to sound arrogant. I don't know what version of X-drive is in the X5, it a 2005 model if that helps and the quattro system is the traditional one and not the Haldex version which is used in the TT and A3. I think it's a 40/60 split now which aids the sportiness of the drive but it is pretty amazing at finding available grip that's for sure. You might be right about the newer X-drive but then again Audi is ever perfecting it's Quattro and the very latest one with this Sport Diff does sound like something one would expect to see in an EVO rally car instead of an Audi. Quote:
Will is steal sales from the M3, the honest answer is no, no one who has the sort of money to spent on the M3 would consider saving a few pounds (dollars) on the S5, these kind of people would be looking at the C63 or something else with it's kind of performance/image before they would ever consider this Audi. No until the RS5 arrives I don't think the M3 will have an concerns over an Audi taking sales from it. |
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