AA Stg 3 vs Evolve .. Curious how they compare

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by wojcikgu

I personally wouldn't want the hassle of meth.

Easier than race gas if you want 600 whp for a daily driver.

Level 2 is still a hell of a kit though!

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by wojcikgu

I personally wouldn't want the hassle of meth.

It's not a hassle whatsoever, it's very easy to install, use, fill up, etc.

For those adding FI to a high compression motor I think it's a good way to help keep intake temps down, if you are trying to get more power out of it while using pump fuel, yes it can be a hassle and a risk.

[Soorena]

Originally Posted by BobS

I personally wouldn't want the hassle of meth.

Originally Posted by wojcikgu

I personally wouldn't want the hassle of meth.

Trolling?

I personally wouldn't want the hassle of meth also. Last time i used meth i woke up laying on the ground and there was a dude next to me. So no meth for me

[BobS]

Originally Posted by Soorena

Trolling?

I personally wouldn't want the hassle of meth also. Last time i used meth i woke up laying on the ground and there was a dude next to me. So no meth for me

No trolling here... looks like the guy read my comment and said the same thing? Not sure why. I've been saying that since I owned a Cobb stg 2 335. I could care less if people run it, its up to the user.

[Soorena]

Originally Posted by BobS

No trolling here... looks like the guy read my comment and said the same thing? Not sure why. I've been saying that since I owned a Cobb stg 2 335. I could care less if people run it, its up to the user.

You are right he's not trolling, just spamming.

Meth is just a bandaid IMHO. But as soon as my M4 arrives i'll strap an Aquamist unit on top of the engine. The cooling effect at least is a huge plus for me when tracking.

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by Soorena

You are right he's not trolling, just spamming.

Meth is just a bandaid IMHO. But as soon as my M4 arrives i'll strap an Aquamist unit on top of the engine. The cooling effect at least is a huge plus for me when tracking.

Little e85 and some meth

[Verify]

E85 on the boosted S65s would be awesome. Id love to try it N/A first before I add boost, then with boost. Long term goal is built motor+boost+E85 but info is so rare

[Jon@Bimmersport Automotive]

I currently have the HKS Gen 1 Level 2 on Meth. I will post up my dyno graph soon as I forgot to get the DRF but SAE corrected I am at 515whp/~360rwtq 89F 30% humidity. I will be at the same dyno once I strap on my level 3 upgrade with the rotrex.

I have done a level 3 install and the car is phenominal, although most cars I have done are all DCT with any S/C. My car is a 6MT and it will be fun to see how it does at the next mile race events, I plan on hitting up GA for wannagofast.

In regards to the meth, on my level 2 it is not required to be on but I do use it as I drive the car as it should be driven (not WOT all the time, but I do tend to drive like I stole it). I fill it up maybe once a week or even 2 weeks and costs me $5, it really is no hassle. I fill gas more than I do meth. Which means its not using crazy amounts of meth to run properly which is probably peoples idea here. If my meth runs out, or the system fails the car is not tuned for it so I have ZERO danger with my level 2 kit. Meth injects around 5000RPM, and even to hear my Akra EVO nicely I have to get it up to 4500k max at part throttle....meth may be activated but its barely anything.

Level 3 is another story, it IS required at all times...but like I said, you will go through more tanks of gas then meth.

It may be a bandaid to some, but up in Canada and most other countries we do not have pump access to E85 at the pump or even race gas and using meth makes a great solution. I am happy Active decides to do that, it takes care of us guys outside the USA!

Unfortunately besides AA's dyno I have not seen a good dynojet comparison for level 3...this will end shortly.

I even know of a VT3 and a Gintani car (that puts 600whp, but not the same torque I do)...so hopefully we can get some runs in before end of the season.

*straps go-pro and radar detector on

[Sales@Evolve]

Originally Posted by darkbmw

AA is going to make more power cause evolve us 91 and AA uses 92 trim big difference in cfm

This is incorrect information.

The only difference between a 91 and 92 is the inlet to the supercharger.

The 92 is larger but the maximum flow is exactly the same.

Rotrex only made the 92 to accommodate the larger inlet's.

The CFM is exactly the same and this can be shown by downloading the flow charts from the Rotrex website.

[darkbmw]

You are right with the cfms but a half inch on the intake side is a big difference wouldn't there be more drag on the motor sucking air in 3 inch vs 3.5 if both intake pipping was the design the same. I know it works for exhaust

[BobS]

Originally Posted by darkbmw

You are right with the cfms but a half inch on the intake side is a big difference wouldn't there be more drag on the motor sucking air in 3 inch vs 3.5 if both intake pipping was the design the same. I know it works for exhaust

Your reaching at this point...go read Rotrex's website, there is no difference in power

[Verify]

Originally Posted by BobS

Your reaching at this point...go read Rotrex's website, there is no difference in power

Easy way to find out, get a Rotrex AA car out Vs an Evolve car

[darkbmw]

Ok i read it still doesn't answer why they came out with half inch bigger housing. if everything is still the same. Why does it cost more than.

[BobS]

They made it larger for different applications.... for fitment

You originally posted about how much more power you would get, you were wrong and didn't research ahead of time, just assumed.. let it go

[SflBimmer8484]

Correct, the flow chart is the same based on rotrex's findings. The 92 trim has a 3.5 inch inlet diameter with a cone shaped inlet tube. We have tested both and prefer the 92 since it allows us to use larger air filters with less restriction and less pressure drop.. The outlet end diameter is the same size as the 91 trim but based on the pictures below you can see the snail pipe is actually a larger diameter but, very hard to measure the difference.


The inlet tube on the 91 trim is 3 inch inlet tube which is the same as the 81 trim ,71 trim etc.

91 trim on the right and 92 trim in the last picture.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by Jon@Bimmersport Automotive

In regards to the meth, on my level 2 it is not required to be on but I do use it as I drive the car as it should be driven (not WOT all the time, but I do tend to drive like I stole it). I fill it up maybe once a week or even 2 weeks and costs me $5, it really is no hassle. I fill gas more than I do meth. Which means its not using crazy amounts of meth to run properly which is probably peoples idea here. If my meth runs out, or the system fails the car is not tuned for it so I have ZERO danger with my level 2 kit. Meth injects around 5000RPM, and even to hear my Akra EVO nicely I have to get it up to 4500k max at part throttle....meth may be activated but its barely anything.

Agreed on the WM points you made.

[darkbmw]

Wow thats a huge difference, especially u when u spin a blower at 100k rpms so less drag on the motor when sucking air in which plays a big part on any supercharged car