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heres my take
i think the 335i is to blame and here is my reasoning.. never before has bmw had such a great perfomer like the 335i. i ask you this if the 335i wasnt available would the m3 be taking as much gripe? think about this for a second. its a great car just faster then the 335i and probably the best bet for 60k. with the 335i right under the price range of the m3 one has to ask is the little upgrade in performance and looks reasoning to spend the extra 10k? i think the magazines were expecting something far more performance oriented over the 335i but lets get real if the m3 was any quicker it would be priced well out of our price range.
bmw is doing what it can to stay competitive with the is350 and g37 by making the 335i. but by doing that they are bringing the market really close to the m3 sales and that means they either need to price the m3 out of the price range inteded to make it WAY FASTER or make it slightly faster and offer things to keep it where they want it? so my take is this without the 335i the m3 is the undesputed king but with the 335i bmw now has a slight problem with pricing and marketing the m3 so thats were we are now. what are you thoughts |
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As I stated before; the non ///M cars have reached a remarkeble high standard, the 335i is widly recocnised as the best all in package.
So this makes it verry difficult IMO to make a car that is just even better, now I know for sure the M3 is better, maybe not in a revolutionary way, but stil the best BMW can offer in this price range. There is a difference, but it is getting smaller, when you think off it, it seems only logical IMO |
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And yet, I am sure that the price difference between 335 and e92 M3 will be just as great, if not greater than between 330 and e46 M3
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The 335i is a great car and probably one of the best 3 series to date. However, none of us have seen any solid performance numbers for the new M3 so we have no way to judge how much better the M3 is over the 335i. My guess, the M3 will run circles around the 335i but we will have to wait and see.
What your saying is along the lines of what has been said about the Porsche GT3 and 997S. The 997S is so good now, is there really a need for the GT3? My answer, hell yes... Jason
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I am not disagreeing the m3 isn't a great car. It's probably my next car or the 335i, but I will spend a lot more time modding the 335i. |
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Dont forget that the M3 needed to perform better than the e46 M3, and at least as good as other M-models. also, dont forget the RS5 too. |
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I don't know for sure, but I imagine had M made the new car in a way more dedicated to enthusiast levels of handling rather than everyday liveability, then it would have been clear cut, the new genius is in session and he brings things to the party the 335i couldn't dream of. Trouble is, it would seem unless you're taking the new M3 to very high levels of cornering, the 335i is so competent that the difference isn't as marked as it used to be.
Anyone agree?
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$37,600 for the 330ci $48,600 for the M3 IOW, the M3 was $11,000 or about 30% more than the 330ci. The 335i is about $41,000 so unless the new M3 is only about $53,000 (not very likely) it will command a higher preminum percentage-wise than the old one did. |
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What, there is carpeting in the GT3!? Porsche has gone way too soft! I'm gonna start a petition (never mind the fact that I've never driven a GT3)!!!!!
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!! That's what the early reviews and naysayers said about the 997 GT3 too! Ohhh... and a SUNROOF?!?!?!?!? Then the performance figures and lap times came out..... |
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That must be a very american attitude to the GT3, because I remember nothing but positives before it was launched on this side of the pond, with Autocar's first drive (alongside the M6 I was driven in a few days before) saying that the PASM and Sport Chrono made it a better car than the old one.
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