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07-11-2012, 05:10 AM | #221 |
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Lighter models will follow in BMW line-up.
Offering an M Pack is not something wrong as the standard cars will have a more aggressive look and also better driving dynamics. An M2 will follow, an M3 and M4 too, so no reason to worry for the moment. X Ms are a must these days as all the major rivals have one or more in their line ups. I don t know if you can compare a mustang or a GT3 with a M3 All of them are sport cars, but built with different purposes! M135i is a car designed for younger guys who can't buy an M3; M Performance Diesel Models were developed for the markets were the prices of petrol are too high (see Europe case). There is also a surprise prepared by BMW and is called i8! I think that everything has a clear logic and we have to understand better the global market situation before posting some irrelevant comments Mapezzul stated for several times the reasons for not offering a more hardcore M3 for the US market so for the moment there is nothing to do in this sense. The capability of M was proved for many times in the last years with different REAL track versions so there is no reason to don't trust them anymore! |
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07-11-2012, 05:29 AM | #223 |
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blah blah blah
No other car in the segments of the competition will steer / turn / feel /drive like a BMW M . and thats all that matters. The new M5 is a boat but what did reviews and comparo's all mentioned and said ? nothing new to Mpower cars. You can add as much weight and power to a car but its all to do with its chassis dynamics and how the car reacts to the driver ... not something the "competition" has but only masterd by BMW M. |
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07-11-2012, 05:59 AM | #224 |
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+1 ... and turbos... turn off for me for M!
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07-11-2012, 08:02 AM | #226 | |
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As for the question, where there's a will there's a way. Given that (a) BMW is now working to actually reduce the weight of its models and (b) there seems to be no shortage of funds to engage in costly R&D to bring a slew of new models to the brand's lineup, what exactly would be cost prohibitive about offering models such as the M3 with an engine option (e.g. N/A or F/I)? It isn't as if BMW doesn't do as much with the overwhelming majority of its models; in particular the 3ers. Many of the the "old guard" type would be thrilled to have the option of ticking the "N/A" box while others that prefer something more fuel efficient or with more torque could tick the "F/I" or "Diesel" boxes; transmission options as well. That would make for a win-win situation for both consumer and seller alike. Creativity has its place in car production. Smart companies figure out a way to avoid losing long time customers. That's BMW's challenge today even as all signs are that business is so good that it can afford to lose a chunk of its long time customers.
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Nobody is bitchin about BMW makin suv's etc. Imagine Porsche takin the RS badge and slapping it on everything. Even BMW realised their cars arent what they used to be, the 5 and 7 series used to be best in class. Now they're usually in the middle of the pack in almost every group test. I know the poser racer doesnt give a $hit as long as the car has a BMW badge and they got the interior/exterior lastest trendy color combo. There was a time when the 5 series (E39,E60) slaughtered the competion in handling,driving pleasure etc. The F80/82 is going to be lighter than the car it replaces, the next 5 and 7 will use extensive lightweight materials. Maybe they started listening to the true enthusiasts. |
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It's not like BMW hasn't done the engineering on the BBK and coilover suspension already. Come on BMW, throw us a bone in the US with something with true performance improvements. Quote:
And as good as the steering feels on an //M car, try a 911- WOW. Directly connected to the road. .
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The best-ever M5 beaten, by autocar.i dont remember the E39/E60 M5 doin this poorly against the competition.
Car and Driver, The M5 places last. http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...arison-test?re on direct=no |
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I don't think ///M has lost it's touch yet. They just need to step up the game just like their competitors
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BUT on the side, just give us one car that is in 3 series size that is a GT/sports type car, and more importantly, give us a 1 series or Z4 type car that is small, light and f**king fast. And do this without massaging seats, automatically closing boot, iphone apps, and freaking turbo engines. Make it a simple, raw, direct driver's car. You know, like the freaking Subaru does...
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I don't know which planet the author is from, but here in Europe you can get a M-package car with any engine on all platforms. What about a 2.0 diesel X3? Has that anything to do with racing?
This is nothing new. Was the previous (E60) M5 with that worthless gearbox a better car than current M5? You could even get a Touring version. Now you can't, so what. Wake up to the world of marketing as it has been for the last 30 years or so. |
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I think the opinion article was well written.
The concept of M now is "marketing" not performance Big Money Wins
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Quoting Car and driver's review on the latest M5:"...the M5 suffers shortfalls in three areas where an M usually excels: steering, suspension, and brakes. We noticed this while tackling fast bends on Bavarian back roads. The calipers supplied a cold, weak bite. There was too much up-and-down bobbing of the body, and the relatively slow, remote steering wasn’t always able to place the front tires exactly where we wanted them. To drive in haste, you must trust the machine, and the M5, capable as it is, keeps secrets."
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I think the 1M is the most focused car BMW has built in years, so it gives me hope that they're not just slapping M badges on everything for no good reason. Still, what I'd really like to see is the M Division develop a sports car on its own chassis (something like a Cayman). |
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I love the rampant fanboy-ism in this thread. This should be a wake up call for BMW and for anyone who claims to like the brand and what it stood for, as I do / did. Is the article over the top - yes; does it make some (IMO) relevant points everyone should think about - yes.
All these profit arguments are garbage as no one knows BMW's margins and no one bothered to respond to my post on it because I suspect no one here understands corporate strategy and finance. Something I happen to do for a living. Most of you should look beyond what is in your garage and your instinctive human need to defend yourselves through defending your material possessions.
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