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Haha - nice one! Although this certainly does not ring true with my last experience of being dragged round Harvey Nicc's
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There are plenty of novels on this board about what you posted. You can get your jollies there.
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DEAD ISSUE: This has already been spouted off about and the answer clearly lies in the fact they already stated their times will be significantly faster when properly tested. They basically did a few blast offs for fun, and stated as such. No eat your Milk Toast. Last edited by NewhouseEnt; 07-18-2007 at 10:59 PM.. Reason: EEbee Neebee |
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In any event, the engine boys at the M Group apparently decided to forego maximum torque in favor of broadening the entire curve - and apparently it's paid off this time. 111 mph in the quarter mile is very impressive for a car that tips the scales at 3649 pounds (as BMW told the Edmunds people), and 12.9 seconds is about right for that mph on street sneakers. Furthermore, Autoweek reported a 50 - 75 mph time of 4.9 seconds in top gear, which is stupid fast (that's a technical term, son). You won't find another street car that can do this. I know, I know. In concept, nobody cares about top gear performance, but I'll tell you what: Out on the road, everybody cares. Just tickling the gas pedal out on the highway and whoosh!, you're gone, is an attribute that will bring a grin to every driver's face, every time. Other than the fact that this new car is very heavy, and thus less tossable than the previous car, this car is better in pretty much every way - thus continuing a long tradition of the M Group. Each M3 has been bigger, heavier and less tossable (thus less fun to drive) than the one before it, and altogether a better car. This time, however, the more useable power band may mean the new one is just as much fun to drive as the E46 version, even though it'll be less tossable. Making comparisons, the 335i, in my opinion, is a seriously flawed car - enough so that I skipped out and went Japanese for my four-door three months back because of the open rear (had a bad experience during the test drive) and the runflats. Sure, it'll be a top gear terror with the Vishnu (or other) mods, but coming out of turn three at NHIS, you're just going to make enough smoke to take over for the Bug Comissioner. Sure, you can throw a rear in there, and mod the supension (not to mention the brakes), but then you'll be sacrificing one of the things that BMW does better than anybody else, which is the ride/handling compromise. Oh, the 12.6 @ 109 with the Vishnu? Forget about it. Nobody's doing that without traction aids. Comparing the new car with a Vette? Don't. Vettes are killer cars either in a straight line or on a road course, and the new M3 won't be able to match them. It'll be closer, but apparently the '08 Vette will get even more power, along with tweaked steering and a high-zoot (for $4K) interior. The single downer they have from a performance point of view is that they're slugs in top gear. What BMW does best is back-road banditry. They're better than nearly anything else on bumpy back roads, and you'll screw that up by modding a 335i. I think the new car will be worth the money. Bruce Last edited by bruce.augenstein@comcast.; 07-19-2007 at 10:55 AM.. Reason: Spelling |
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Nice points Bruce. I get a little frustrated seeing all the M-loving worshippers on this Board get offended by any question as to the supremacy of their M's, but in truth revah has posted a valid point. I don't know why people get so defensive about comparisons between the 335 and M3. It's obvious that with a chip and exhaust the 335 will be very similar in terms of straightline performance with the upcoming M, and the 335 has already proven itself to be a fairly respectable track handler (though it will obviously be a bit slower than the new M3).
The comparison is between a 2 different versions of BMW 3 series so I see no reason to toss it out. This is nothing like an M3 vs. Civic w/turbo, supercharger, etc. argument. Revah has specifically noted his respect for the M (as do I) and is just wondering about people's opinions on the justification for the price difference. I agree that if the car comes at a base price of over $60K there is reason to question whether the add'l price is worth it. Obviously, if you are loaded and money does not matter, than be happy with the M3. I personally wouldn't mind spending 4-5k on a 335 to add a chip, exhaust, and coilovers to have very decent performance just shy of an M3's. Also, to say that the M3 hasn't been fairly evaluated yet is absurd. Sure, all the exact performance figures are not out yet, but go look at any major car magazine website and see what's at the top. I highly doubt the car will get a "significantly" better 1/4 or 0-60 time than what C&D posted. They implied that marginally better times should be possible w/better track conditions. All in all, a 12.9 sec. 1/4 is pretty impressive to me, but do I really want to shell out $65K+ for this (if it comes out at that price)? No thanks. |
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Do a simple search on the topic, browse through the last 100 threads, and as others have also indicated, you'll see that what you've posted has been commented and debated on this forum in hundreds of posts. So stop bringing this topic up unless there is something new to say. You add no new insights to any of this. And reread your own initial post--especially the last sentence--and get over your denial: you are trying to prove something.
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So, you know the E92 M3's performance numbers? Please post them here. |
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It's an Acura TL Type S six-speed. Comfy. Power ash trays (meaning it comes with a lot of stuff). Roomy back seat for grandkids. Absolute killer stereo. Best GPS available. Nice chassis for 7/10ths street work. Terrific engine (eager like a 328 only quicker). Posi. No runflats. A spare tire and dipstick. After making a right onto a 50 mph road from a stop sign and having the electronic nannies yank the throttle back because of the right rear going up in smoke (at way less than full throttle), the 335i wasn't even in the hunt. Bruce PS - I may track this car once or twice. The handling is very honest, and I have several thousand track miles in fwd cars, so am comfy with some of the differing things you need to do to go fast, powered by the "wrong" wheels. |
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