Mustang Gt350

[Billj747]

Originally Posted by PhillyNate

I just priced a 2015 Mustang GT Fastback PREMIUM 6mt with no other options and it was $36,100. There is a lot of room there. Actually a bargain. We'll see.

Gotta have Sirius XM and the Performance Package (to get the LSD and better brakes). Throw in the Recaros and you're at $42,810.

[Denk]

Good timing for me. She's on my list.

[PhillyNate]

Originally Posted by Billj747

Gotta have Sirius XM and the Performance Package (to get the LSD and better brakes). Throw in the Recaros and you're at $42,810.

Not arguing but an LSD and better brakes will be included on the base GT350 and be factored into the cost. All the other "tinsel" would be offered as options. I think Ford can get the base price to $49k IMHO. Especially when you factor a stripper base GT (non premium) is ONLY $33k. WOW that's cheap!

[Billj747]

I'd be surprised since the GT350 will have a different hood, bumper, fenders, much wider tires, and the carbon ceramic brakes haveto be an additional $5-8k by themselves. Plus it'll have a completely different motor and trans. We will see...

[Ludey]

Former Mustang/Cobra guy checking in. In general, I'm pleased with what Ford is doing with the cobra in the last 7 years. This looks to improve on that trajectory.

I like it when any auto manufacturer commits large sums of R & D dollars on performance vehicles. It improves the industry overall. So like it or not, be aware that it is good in general for us enthusiasts.

[wildwestm3]

I hate to break it to you, but I just don't see this car coming in at under $50K. Then you have to figure it will be 9mos to a year before dealers quit putting a "market adjustment" of +10K on the car. However, if it runs/sounds like that friggin video...it'll be worth it. Man that thing sounded good and was definately hooking up around the track...

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by Billj747

Gotta have Sirius XM and the Performance Package (to get the LSD and better brakes). Throw in the Recaros and you're at $42,810.

All Mustangs includes an LSD, even the base V6. However, the Performance Pack includes a Torsen axel which is more performance oriented. You are right though after you include the PP and the Recaros you are at $42K. Keep in mind that when the Boss 302 came out, which is being replaced by the GT350 it was only $3-4K more than a fully equipped Mustang GT. It is feasible that the GT350 will be under $50K. When the GT500 comes out, this car will be in the mid $60K range.

Dave

[checkmate]

The new M4 looks as exciting as dishwater (especially in black...boo)

Murica! Between this and the C7, I'm just giddy!

[Billj747]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

All Mustangs includes an LSD, even the base V6. However, the Performance Pack includes a Torsen axel which is more performance oriented. You are right though after you include the PP and the Recaros you are at $42K. Keep in mind that when the Boss 302 came out, which is being replaced by the GT350 it was only $3-4K more than a fully equipped Mustang GT. It is feasible that the GT350 will be under $50K. When the GT500 comes out, this car will be in the mid $60K range.

Dave

They are basically open diffs. Put a track day under it and the Z-shaped preload spring and clutch plates become useless, so realistically -no they don't have an LSD. The Torsen is a decent unit and that is what I was referring to.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

All Mustangs includes an LSD, even the base V6. However, the Performance Pack includes a Torsen axel which is more performance oriented. You are right though after you include the PP and the Recaros you are at $42K. Keep in mind that when the Boss 302 came out, which is being replaced by the GT350 it was only $3-4K more than a fully equipped Mustang GT. It is feasible that the GT350 will be under $50K. When the GT500 comes out, this car will be in the mid $60K range.

Dave

That If the gt350 is taking the boss place. If ford decides to compete against the z/28 the gt350 could cost 70k.

[Law]

Wow, just wow.

The new generation of American sportscars (or engines at least) are quite exciting. I'd expect to see many familiar faces doing test drives at Ford dealerships soon!

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by Ezio

That If the gt350 is taking the boss place. If ford decides to compete against the z/28 the gt350 could cost 70k.

The Z28 competition will probably come in the form of the GT500. The GT350 is suppose to be the Boss replacement and normally aspirated. How are you going to go from $44k to $70k. The last Boss302 sold for $44K. Ford will keep prices as close as possible for the new model.

Then again, until Ford releases anymore info its all just speculation.

Dave

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by Law

Wow, just wow.

The new generation of American sportscars (or engines at least) are quite exciting. I'd expect to see many familiar faces doing test drives at Ford dealerships soon!

I've always loved Mustangs...I was a toddler when my dad had a 1966 Mustang GT convertible. I've owned several, well more than several in my time. I steered away from them when the S197 came out. Ford was just more interested in building trucks than they were cars. This is what caused my migration on to BMW and PCars.

I now have bought several new Fords in the guise of a Fiesta ST and my wifeys Escape Titanium 2.0 Ecoboost. I am so impressed with these new Fords. The Fiesta ST is a blast to drive for a econo DD.

Dave

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by Billj747

They are basically open diffs. Put a track day under it and the Z-shaped preload spring and clutch plates become useless, so realistically -no they don't have an LSD. The Torsen is a decent unit and that is what I was referring to.

No they have LSD's just ones not up for track duty. The Torsen is the one to get...the TrackPack includes the Torsen axle out of the Boss 302.

For 2011, the aging 4.0 L V6 used in the Mustang since the 2005 model year was replaced with Ford's Duratec 37 3.7 L DOHC V6. Unlike earlier versions of the engine, the new V6 featured Twin-independent Variable Cam Timing (Ti-VCT), true dual exhaust (compared to the single outlet exhaust for the previous 4.0 L V6); this engine was rated to produce a much-improved 305 bhp (227 kW) @ 6500rpm and 280 lb·ft (380 N·m) of torque @ 4250rpm.[50]

The upgraded powertrains were capable of achieving better fuel efficiency due in part to the new transmissions. With the standard Getrag MT82 6-speed manual transmission co-developed with Ford, the Mustang had been rated by the EPA to achieve 19 mpg-US (12 L/100 km; 23 mpg-imp) in city driving and 29 mpg-US (8.1 L/100 km; 35 mpg-imp) on the highway. The newly optional Ford 6R60 6-speed automatic achieved 19 mpg-US (12 L/100 km; 23 mpg-imp) in city and 31 mpg-US (7.6 L/100 km; 37 mpg-imp) on the highway.[51] A newly standard 2.73:1 limited slip rear axle was more fuel efficient compared to the more aggressive 3.31:1 axle used previously. The 3.31:1 axle remained available in the 2011 Mustang as a performance option.

Whats neat about Ford is they sell this Torsen diffy and can be had for around $800.00, choose your ring and pinion and call it a day.



Dave

[Billj747]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

No they have LSD's just ones not up for track duty. The Torsen is the one to get...the TrackPack includes the Torsen axle out of the Boss 302.

Whats neat about Ford is they sell this Torsen diffy and can be had for around $800.00, choose your ring and pinion and call it a day.

Dave

It's not up to any duty, its a waste of time and more of an open diff than an LSD. You don't need to track them to kill them. They will die on their own on the street in a very short time as well. The only lock you get is the static lock provided by the wimpy, useless Z-shaped spring.

You can call it an LSD but it really is more of an open diff.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by Billj747

It's not up to any duty, its a waste of time and more of an open diff than an LSD. You don't need to track them to kill them. They will die on their own on the street in a very short time as well. The only lock you get is the static lock provided by the wimpy, useless Z-shaped spring.

You can call it an LSD but it really is more of an open diff.

I'm not calling it an LSD, it is one. Maybe just not the best for the track, I found it more than adequate for the street unless you are into major hooligan antics on the street.

Your argument is since its not a good one (which I disagree for the street) its an open diffy...

BTW, even the M diffy has its detractors for using it at the track...although I found it to be quite a bit better than the Ford Traction-Lok.


If I was to buy a Mustang it would definitely have the Torsen unit though. For $2500 you get the wider wheels, bigger 6pot Brembos and the Torsen among other items...thats a no brainer.

Billy are you guys still running the Boss? Haven't kept up to much with GrandAM this year. BTW, regarding the flat plane crank...from what I read to take advantage of the FPC the exhaust manifolds would have some serious issues for packaging in the tight Mustang engine compartment. However, its still a possibility for the GT500, Ford looks like they may go all out with the GT500, from what I read on SVTPerformance. How is the E92 M3 still doing? Are they competitive?

[Billj747]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

I'm not calling it an LSD, it is one. Maybe just not the best for the track, I found it more than adequate for the street unless you are into major hooligan antics on the street.

Your argument is since its not a good one (which I disagree for the street) its an open diffy...

BTW, even the M diffy has its detractors for using it at the track...although I found it to be quite a bit better than the Ford Traction-Lok.


If I was to buy a Mustang it would definitely have the Torsen unit though. For $2500 you get the wider wheels, bigger 6pot Brembos and the Torsen among other items...thats a no brainer.

Billy are you guys still running the Boss? Haven't kept up to much with GrandAM this year. BTW, regarding the flat plane crank...from what I read to take advantage of the FPC the exhaust manifolds would have some serious issues for packaging in the tight Mustang engine compartment. However, its still a possibility for the GT500, Ford looks like they may go all out with the GT500, from what I read on SVTPerformance. How is the E92 M3 still doing? Are they competitive?

The traction-loc does not deserve to be called an LSD. It's useless on the street and anyone who owns one would tell you its garbage and does not work anymore. Turn the wheel, get on the gas, and you'll have a one-tire fire. Get stuck in the mud, and if one tire has any sort of traction, the car will still not move. It's a poor example of a cheap "LSD" unit and while many complain about the M3's stock diff, it's WORLDS better.

Still running a Boss for a new team. Fallline's M3 is up there in the championship but only has 1 dog in the fight. BMWs are still fast (at every track, qualifying on Pole, etc...), so are Porsches, Astons and Nissans have been given alot and should be winning everything and the Z28 is a GT car and dominating. My season has been full of bad luck but catch the race that airs this weekend from Mosport, it was a good one.

No issues in a FPC for the manifolds. Not sure where you heard that from, since FPC does not crowd the collector as bad as a crossplane crank.

[mkoesel]

I let the new Mustang sort of fall off my radar awhile ago when they revealed that the styling was more of an evolutionary step from the outgoing model than a new direction.

But, wow, if this rumor about a naturally aspirated engine with 550 HP @ 8000 RPM is true it's hard to ignore even if OTD price approaches $60k. I've got an F80 coming because I really do need a sedan now, but this SVT Mustang is certainly drool worthy.

Since BMW could not, maybe Ford can build an 8k RPM motor that won't fail me before 100k mikes.

[mkoesel]

I let the new Mustang sort of fall off my radar awhile ago when they revealed that the styling was more evolutionary step from the outgoing model than a new direction.

But, wow, if this rumor about a naturally aspirated engine with 550 HP @ 8000 RPM is true it's hard to ignore even if OTD price approaches $60k. I've got an F80 coming because I really do need a sedan now, but this SVT Mustang is certainly drool worthy.

Since BMW could not, maybe Ford can build an 8k RPM motor that won't fail me before 100k mikes.

[Sered]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

The Z28 competition will probably come in the form of the GT500. The GT350 is suppose to be the Boss replacement and normally aspirated. How are you going to go from $44k to $70k. The last Boss302 sold for $44K. Ford will keep prices as close as possible for the new model.

Then again, until Ford releases anymore info its all just speculation.

Dave

Pretty sure they're calling that the GT350R. There's a lot of video of it zooming around the 'Ring in anger. Sounds like it has a FPC as well or at least 180deg headers. Not a normal sounding V8 by any stretch. And FYI The Boss 302 Laguna Seca was priced in the $50-60k range.

The GT500 is more of a drag machine and never was intended as a big road/track car like the Z/28 (even though it's only 2 seconds slower on the 'ring than the Z/28).

[Sered]

Originally Posted by PhillyNate

If Ford can price the GT350 at about $48k they have a bonafide winner. Especially if it's pushing 450hp give or take.

Rumors are that the GT350R above has a FPC and it definitely sounds different, so it's very possible. Also supposedly running a 5.2L motor, possibly with DI. The stock 5.0 is now rated at 435hp, you can get one of those with the track pack if that's all you want They say the GT350R will be in the 500-550hp range, should roast any comparable BMW alive (until BMW finally grows a pair and builds an actual road-course oriented model)

[PhillyNate]

Originally Posted by Sered

Rumors are that the GT350R above has a FPC and it definitely sounds different, so it's very possible. Also supposedly running a 5.2L motor, possibly with DI. The stock 5.0 is now rated at 435hp, you can get one of those with the track pack if that's all you want They say the GT350R will be in the 500-550hp range, should roast any comparable BMW alive (until BMW finally grows a pair and builds an actual road-course oriented model)

I forgot the Coyote V8 in the GT was that ballsy. So they're probably shooting for 500hp at a bare minimum. I'm sure more. My 450hp estimate was extremely conservative and wrong.
The Coyote is a GREAT motor but I am starting to hear some reliability issues concerning it. Probably isolated issues tho like our bearing issue with M3's.