Nurburgring Nordschleife time (so far...)

[swamp2]

Looks like the M3 has hit an unofficial time of 8:12 so far. It is impressive what the time beats but also not exactly what I think is superior to the cars intended targets. Also it probably is not someone driving who is capable of a record time and it probably just being used to tune the cars suspension at this point.

Source: http://www.autoblog.nl/archive/2007/...concept-jawohl

On the vs. competition point it would be interesting to know if BMWs target is 997 OR 997S, because this time places it between the two. Ref: list of times: http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=10073 . BMW have been benchmarking the car vs. 997 and Aston Vantage and it is rumored to be >>.

I still think that the production car with SMG or DSG (for sure) and H. Stuck driving we will have a true official time of less than 8:00.

[DonM3]

Has to be quicker than the RS4, therefore a sub 8 min time is a must

[imolazhp_ci]

i think in the end it will do a 7:50. same as a M3 CSL. it has to.

[Epacy]

Lots of info on this topic at M3Forum.

8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 PS/1651 kg (sport auto 04/02)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo (sport auto 03/97)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo works tuning (sport auto 06/97)
8:33 --- 150.426 km/h – Aston Martin V8 Vantage, 385 PS/1636 kg, Bridgestone Potenza RE 50 (sport auto 10/05)
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg (sport auto 12/04)
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 PS/1324 kg (sport auto 05/99)
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 hp (sport auto, 10/04)
8:14 --- 150.120 km/h -- Mercedes SL 65 AMG, 612 PS/2049 kg (sport auto 01/05), 8:14 --- 150.120 km/h -- Steinmetz Opel Astra OPC, 285 PS/1418 kg (sport auto Tuning 07),
8:14.98 149.824 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma Evo VIII GSR MR 8 (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h – BMW Z4 M Roadster, 343 PS/1485 kg,
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Alpina Roadster S, 300 PS/1416 kg (sport auto 6/05),
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Corvette C6, 404 PS/1491 kg (sport auto 08/05), 8:15* -- 149.818 km/h -- Holden GTS (00), *estimated
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera 2, Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/04)
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Ruf 911 CTR 2, 520 hp
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 PS (sport auto 11/97)8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer V8 Topster, 450 PS/1557kg (sport auto 01/05)
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- Aston Martin DB9, 457hp (sport auto 11/04)
8:16.15 149.471 km/h -- Honda NSX (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Aston Martin V12 Vanquish, 515 PS/1775 kg (sport auto 01/03)
8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Porsche 911 Carrera, 320 PS/1399 kg (sport auto 06/01)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- BMW Z8, 400PS/1651 kg (sport auto 08/00)8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344 PS (sport auto 09/2003)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 06/97)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Maserati GranSport, 400 PS/1672 kg (sport auto 09/05)
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- Audi RS6, 400 PS/ 1815 kg (sport auto 03/01)
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- BMW M3 E36, 321 hp (Autocar magazine 1997)
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- Porche 993 GT3, Walter Roehrl (Car magazine 10/99)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M Coupe, 321 PS/1445 kg (sport auto 10/98)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- Mercedes-Benz C55 (sport auto07/2004)8:22.38 147.617 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R32 GTR (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Aston Martin DB7 GT, 442 PS/1833 kg (sport auto 07/03)
8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 280 PS/1426 kg (sport auto 04/06)
8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera 4, 300 PS/1466 kg (sport auto 01/02)
8:24 --- 147.143 km/h -- Mercedes SLK 55 AMG, 360PS/1566kg (sport auto 04/05),
8:24 --- 147.143 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi (sport auto 05/04)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Audi RS4, 375 PS/1675 kg (sport auto 10/00)
8:25* -- 146.851 km/h – 2007 BMW M5 Touring, 507 PS (*mfr.)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Corvette Callaway C12, 400 PS/1564 kg (sport auto 04/99)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Jaguar XKR, 416 PS/1775 kg (sport auto 11/06) 8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Maybach 57 S, 612 PS/2835 kg
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI, 300 PS/1466 kg (sport auto 11/99)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII (sport auto 11/02)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1412 kg (sport auto 11/06),
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h – BMW 335i Coupé, 306 PS/1610 kg (sport auto 10/06),

[swamp2]

CSL had r-comp tires on it which never come stock on a vehicle. They will shave at least 10 seconds off a lap time that is already in the 8 min neighborhood without them (btw they last about 4000 miles on the street). I think the RS4 also had r-comp tires on it as well. Without those tires the RS4 was 8:09.

[skierman64]

There's no way the E92 M3 won't be faster than the RS4 on the same tire, simply because of the weight difference. I agree that tire type will make a huge difference on lap time. I did find it interesting that the M3 Concept at Geneva had Michelin Pilot Sports (R compound) on it.

That article also says 0-62mph in 4.8.

8:12 that's nothing, I did it in 10:45 in a 95hp Benz B-class on snow tires.

[e36jakeo]

I ran a 7:29 in an M3 CSL.

On GT4

[BMW //MPOWER]

Originally Posted by e36jakeo

I ran a 7:29 in an M3 CSL.

On GT4

Hell that's impressive, you want to give me lessons when i'm in Germany next! (i'll pay)

[ILC32]

Originally Posted by swamp2

CSL had r-comp tires on it which never come stock on a vehicle. They will shave at least 10 seconds off a lap time that is already in the 8 min neighborhood without them (btw they last about 4000 miles on the street). I think the RS4 also had r-comp tires on it as well. Without those tires the RS4 was 8:09.

The CSL certainly did come with PSC ("R" compound tires). The RS4 can be ordered in the EU with R comps.

8:12 is nothing to get excited about. If that turns out to be a real time, something is wrong.

[Just_me]

Originally Posted by swamp2

I think the RS4 also had r-comp tires on it as well. Without those tires the RS4 was 8:09.

yes it had, in sportauto supertest, time 8.09 min with R-tires and ceramic brakes and the extra option, sportchassi.

[tlp]

8:12 is absolutely terrible. I wish I never saw this post.

[jbake]

is this car too heavy or what?

[skierman64]

"Remain calm, all is well" I wouldn't worry about Nurburgring times until we see something more official and know the specifics of the lap (like what tires were on the car and who the driver was.) I'd like to see a lap with Sabine behind the wheel. She knows that place like no other.

[skierman64]

I wouldn't put too much weight into this early ring time. We don't know the driver, the tires, the weather, or the tune on the car. All of those are huge factors in determining lap times. Last August at Watkins Glen, I outran all the E46s (about 10 of them) in the B run group in my nearly stock E36. That doesn't necessarly mean that the E36 is faster than an E46.

[swamp2]

Guys, don't fret. I think early information and all information is the best policy.

This time is totally unofficial and like the other poster said we know nothing about the car, conditions nor driver. If it was some BMW engineer or relatively unskilled test driver the time would be phenomenal. I'm totally counting on Hans or Sabine to break the 8 minute mark. Again the real question is was the 997 or 997S BMWs "target".

[swamp2]

"All of these power, technology and lightweight innovations combine in the new BMW M3 Coupé to offer a car that is significantly faster around the infamous northern loop of the Nordschliefe. The outgoing M3 was capable of an 8mins 15secs lap but an official lap time for the V8-engined M3 Coupé has yet to be announced."


OK BMW how the hell much is "significantly", 15 or 16 seconds ...

[DonM3]

I guesstimate around 10 secs

Originally Posted by swamp2

"All of these power, technology and lightweight innovations combine in the new BMW M3 Coupé to offer a car that is significantly faster around the infamous northern loop of the Nordschliefe. The outgoing M3 was capable of an 8mins 15secs lap but an official lap time for the V8-engined M3 Coupé has yet to be announced."


OK BMW how the hell much is "significantly", 15 or 16 seconds ...

[bmwzimmer]

The new M3 has a similar Hp/weight ratio as the outgoing CSL. But the CSL is much more agile since it weighs 400lbs less so there's NO WAY the E93 will match the CSL's times.

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by bmwzimmer

The new M3 has a similar Hp/weight ratio as the outgoing CSL. But the CSL is much more agile since it weighs 400lbs less so there's NO WAY the E93 will match the CSL's times.

Heck I'd be thrilled with significantly slower than the CSL (it has racing compounds tires after all, good for about 10 or so seconds). what do I mean by "significantly". Precisely 9 seconds!!

[Epacy]

Originally Posted by swamp2

"All of these power, technology and lightweight innovations combine in the new BMW M3 Coupé to offer a car that is significantly faster around the infamous northern loop of the Nordschliefe. ...

Notice how they word this. They don't say "compared to". I know the next sentence goes on to talk about the E46, but it is very interesting how they worded this. Leaving it open ended...

[SapphireBlackG01]

Is it not the least bit ironic that the fastest BMW around the 'Ring, is the BMW X5 LeMans?

I almost burst out laughing and crying at the same time when I noticed it was several places higher than the second-fastest BMW, the M3 CSL.

[enigma]

Originally Posted by swamp2

I'm totally counting on Hans or Sabine to break the 8 minute mark. Again the real question is was the 997 or 997S BMWs "target".

I would be surprised by that. I expect it will be close, but I doubt its a sub 8 car in stock trim on summer tires.

Its all about the suspension and we are still stuck with terrible static and dynamic front camber. At least the car appears to roll less than the old E46.