Leaving the M3..RS5 or Cayman S?

[hellrotm]

To bad you can't test drive an RS5. It will definitely impress you. There are a lot of haters on here, but don't listen to them. Try to find RS5 to drive, whether it be new or second hand. 99% of the car is a step above an E92 M3. The inside of the RS5 is such nice place to spend time.

Really depends on what you want to do with the car. The new Cayman S is a hell of a car as well. Can you live with a small two seat car everyday. Do you track your car on occasion. If so get the Cayman.

[///M3THOD]

Originally Posted by Darth One

F type

Originally Posted by PoweredBy///M

+2

s/c'd V8 F-Type

[mgiglio2]

+3 on the F-type. car is gorgeous and the supercharged S is supposed to be a monster....

[Antonio1988]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

No chance getting a GT2 for a price of a cayman.

Sorry meant GT3RS

New cayman S loaded with options is $80k+ which is about what decent mileage GT3RS's go for

[signes]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

To bad you can't test drive an RS5. It will definitely impress you. There are a lot of haters on here, but don't listen to them. Try to find RS5 to drive, whether it be new or second hand. 99% of the car is a step above an E92 M3. The inside of the RS5 is such nice place to spend time.

Really depends on what you want to do with the car. The new Cayman S is a hell of a car as well. Can you live with a small two seat car everyday. Do you track your car on occasion. If so get the Cayman.

I really like the RS5 but this is just nonsense... More to the point, for a car developed many years after the M3 debuted its capabilities relative to the E9x are a disappointment.

[signes]

Originally Posted by Antonio1988

Sorry meant GT3RS

New cayman S loaded with options is $80k+ which is about what decent mileage GT3RS's go for

Not sure what you mean by "decent" but I have yet to see any reach that level of asking price. Post up an example or two if you have them.

[Antonio1988]

Originally Posted by signes

Not sure what you mean by "decent" but I have yet to see any reach that level of asking price. Post up an example or two if you have them.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsc...5d4370&vxp=mtr

[signes]

Originally Posted by Antonio1988

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsc...5d4370&vxp=mtr

That is a GT3 not an RS. Great car, but again, haven't seen an RS with an 8-handle.

[DevJ]

any s variant of the f-type is at least 90k...with the V8 S being well into the 100s

thanks for all the input guys! i really appreciate it..went to drive the RS5 today and the damn dealership sold it we'll see if I can drive one wednesday though..

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by signes

I really like the RS5 but this is just nonsense... More to the point, for a car developed many years after the M3 debuted its capabilities relative to the E9x are a disappointment.

The car really wasn't developed that many years after the m3. It's been available in Europe much longer than in the USA

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by signes

I really like the RS5 but this is just nonsense... More to the point, for a car developed many years after the M3 debuted its capabilities relative to the E9x are a disappointment.

I had an E90 M3 and my friend just got a RS5. It is the truth. Only thing I like better on my car was the precise steering. Not to say the RS5 doesn't hold its own in that department either. The RS5 revs to no end, sounds amazing on upshifts and downshifts. Honestly everything you touch/feel/hear in the RS5 is better. Not afraid to say it, the RS5 is a f*cking badass car. I hated on it a little too, until I actually got to sit in one and drive one.

[Antonio1988]

Originally Posted by signes

That is a GT3 not an RS. Great car, but again, haven't seen an RS with an 8-handle.

Ahh, you are correct, sorry about that

[signes]

Originally Posted by Antonio1988

Ahh, you are correct, sorry about that

No worries, wish it was the case!

[signes]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

I had an E90 M3 and my friend just got a RS5. It is the truth. Only thing I like better on my car was the precise steering. Not to say the RS5 doesn't hold its own in that department either. The RS5 revs to no end, sounds amazing on upshifts and downshifts. Honestly everything you touch/feel/hear in the RS5 is better. Not afraid to say it, the RS5 is a f*cking badass car. I hated on it a little too, until I actually got to sit in one and drive one.

I don't "hate on it" at all, and it is a better car in certain ways that have been covered here. I also drove one for a while and have considered getting one. My point was regarding your comment about "99% being a step above" the E9x - that just isn't the case. It may hit more of the right aspects in line with your priorities (styling, interior, ...) but it's a car more at parity with the E9x - better in some ways, worse in others.

[signes]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

The car really wasn't developed that many years after the m3. It's been available in Europe much longer than in the USA

About 3 years (2007 for the M3, 2010 for the RS5 - both first EU model years.) The RS5 also had updates in 2012 prior to US launch that were more than the typical BMW LCI updates.

[DevJ]

Too much bullshit going on around Audi dealers..wish I could drive the RS5 but 2 dealerships are given me the run around so fuck it, I'm getting the Cayman S!!

[DevJ]

Car has a ton of options, sticker is ~85k got about 6% off. Hopefully will have it by Saturday depending on my schedule!

Here are some pictures:

[///M3THOD]

Originally Posted by DevJ

Car has a ton of options, sticker is ~85k got about 6% off. Hopefully will have it by Saturday depending on my schedule!

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Awesome color, great choice, your definitely going to love it! Congrats

[Antonio1988]

Nice choice, the car looks gorgeous!

[bruce.augenstein@comcast.]

Originally Posted by signes

I really like the RS5 but this is just nonsense... More to the point, for a car developed many years after the M3 debuted its capabilities relative to the E9x are a disappointment.

How much better do its capabilities need to be before it's not a disappointment?

As it sits, it's a bit quicker in a quarter mile, quicker around a road course, better in the wet, gets better mileage, sounds better, subjectively looks better, has a better interior and is a genuine four-season car if equipped with all-season sneakers (or snows).

Seriously, the M3 is a terrific car, and has been a benchmark for years - but the Audi more than holds its own in everything except steering feel.

Both these cars are winners, with the Audi edging out the previous benchmark.

Bruce

PS - as for the Porsche, if your religion involves track days and early Sunday morning frivolities, the Cayman is clearly the beast to own. Otherwise, the Audi is a much more well-rounded car, especially for everyday use.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by bruce.augenstein@comcast.

How much better do its capabilities need to be before it's not a disappointment?

As it sits, it's a bit quicker in a quarter mile, quicker around a road course, better in the wet, gets better mileage, sounds better, subjectively looks better, has a better interior and is a genuine four-season car if equipped with all-season sneakers (or snows).

Seriously, the M3 is a terrific car, and has been a benchmark for years - but the Audi more than holds its own in everything except steering feel.

Both these cars are winners, with the Audi edging out the previous benchmark.

Bruce

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[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by signes

I don't "hate on it" at all, and it is a better car in certain ways that have been covered here. I also drove one for a while and have considered getting one. My point was regarding your comment about "99% being a step above" the E9x - that just isn't the case. It may hit more of the right aspects in line with your priorities (styling, interior, ...) but it's a car more at parity with the E9x - better in some ways, worse in others.

I guess I see the list of positives much longer than the M3 list. RS5 is quicker around track, quicker in a straight line. More HP, more TQ, engine revs higher, sounds better. Dual clutch just as good as my DCT. Looks way better inside and out. Fit and finish definitely a level above the E9x M3. Navigation with goolge earth is top shelf. If you spend your time hanging the rear end around the track or track your car on a consistent basis. Then yes the M3 is a better choice. Also unlike the M3 you can't get a RS5 for $500 over invoice.

Originally Posted by DevJ

Too much bullshit going on around Audi dealers..wish I could drive the RS5 but 2 dealerships are given me the run around so fuck it, I'm getting the Cayman S!!

Yeah that is a problem I have ran into at Audi dealers as well.

Originally Posted by bruce.augenstein@comcast.

How much better do its capabilities need to be before it's not a disappointment?

As it sits, it's a bit quicker in a quarter mile, quicker around a road course, better in the wet, gets better mileage, sounds better, subjectively looks better, has a better interior and is a genuine four-season car if equipped with all-season sneakers (or snows).

Seriously, the M3 is a terrific car, and has been a benchmark for years - but the Audi more than holds its own in everything except steering feel.

Both these cars are winners, with the Audi edging out the previous benchmark.

Bruce

PS - as for the Porsche, if your religion involves track days and early Sunday morning frivolities, the Cayman is clearly the beast to own. Otherwise, the Audi is a much more well-rounded car, especially for everyday use.

+1

I see someone has a similar feeling.