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      11-13-2017, 12:31 AM   #199
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Who know's where this guy is but...

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      11-13-2017, 10:22 PM   #201
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Who know's where this guy is but...

Holy. Shit.
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      11-15-2017, 10:45 PM   #202
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Looks and sounds like Russia.
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      11-16-2017, 02:10 PM   #203
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Looks and sounds like Russia.
This car went to Russia huh? Interesting.
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^^^what he said.


Damn that S85 really scoots in a smaller & lighter E9x. It makes 0-201mph pulls look like cakewalk
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      11-27-2017, 07:45 AM   #205
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They did it the right way (6MT).
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They did it the right way (6MT).
Would still love to see this with a DCT tough.
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      11-27-2017, 08:23 PM   #207
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Would still love to see this with a DCT though.
The simplicity of manual transmissions can never be over-stated. Too bad most are phasing them out.
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      12-20-2017, 01:23 PM   #208
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Love to do this in a track car! Would avoid a lot of complications.
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      04-14-2018, 02:15 PM   #209
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I like the passage at the end of the video when a 2nd white e92 m3 arrives on the lot with a supercharger sound @9:30 and the guy with the Naturally Aspirated white s85 v10 m3 monster looks unimpressed.
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Have never seen this before. Always been my fantasy. Wanted an E60 M5 so bad was just too bulky and problematic to justify over an E92 M3.Looks like that guy had the motor integrated pretty good.
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That v10 M3 is what the 2014 f8x M4 should have been from the factory +other improvments like direct fuel injection to improve on fuel efficiency. That would have been a real improvment instead of throwing the towel and sticking a mitsubishi turbo in a 335 3.0l non-bespoke slightly modified engine block which is what the s55 in the f8x M is.
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That v10 M3 is what the 2014 f8x M4 should have been from the factory +other improvments like direct fuel injection to improve on fuel efficiency. That would have been a real improvment instead of throwing the towel and sticking a mitsubishi turbo in a 335 3.0l non-bespoke slightly modified engine block which is what the s55 in the f8x M is.
I would've paid an ungodly amount for an F80 with a reliable S85 and hydraulic steering
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Given how much time I've spent in the last year looking at disassembly on mss60 and mss65, anyone seriously interested in doing this, I'd be willing to give it a go. I build a fair amount S85s and the odd s65. This actually wouldn't be all that complicated.
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That v10 M3 is what the 2014 f8x M4 should have been from the factory +other improvments like direct fuel injection to improve on fuel efficiency. That would have been a real improvment instead of throwing the towel and sticking a mitsubishi turbo in a 335 3.0l non-bespoke slightly modified engine block which is what the s55 in the f8x M is.
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I hope someone can figure this swap out in a semiaffordable way. So many S85 out there looking for a better home than were born in.
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Given how much time I've spent in the last year looking at disassembly on mss60 and mss65, anyone seriously interested in doing this, I'd be willing to give it a go. I build a fair amount S85s and the odd s65. This actually wouldn't be all that complicated.
After you've got this figured out with pricing let me know!
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Given how much time I've spent in the last year looking at disassembly on mss60 and mss65, anyone seriously interested in doing this, I'd be willing to give it a go. I build a fair amount S85s and the odd s65. This actually wouldn't be all that complicated.
Even if it was paired to the DCT?
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Even if it was paired to the DCT?
That's actually the specific reason I started looking into the disassembly in mss60 in the first place.

I'm an M5 guy, so I started off thinking it would be feasible to migrate the DCT code into the mss65 to use DCT on an S85 in an E60. The mechanicals of this swap are trivial at best, the electricals are not overly difficult, the show-stopper is the torque management routines specific to DCT which are present in all versions of mss60 (even before dct was available) and not a single version of mss65.

Coincidentally, I discovered that all of the code and maps for control of SMG are present in mss60 so putting an SMG III into an E9x M3 would be trivial as well.

Finally, I abandoned the idea using the OEM DMEs when I picked up the MoTeC line and began programming a torque model for the M1 ECU as a lead in to M1 PnP kits for the E6x and E9x chassis, then will move into the Fxx series as the major components of torque management and CAN bus message structure are identical (approx 90%).

While writing the M1 DCT module, I ran across some code in mss60 disassembly that kicked me back onto the OEM DME route for a few months. I have a car now that as soon as I get free time to finish the engine build (it's a favor for a friend), is getting the DCT. I already have the modified harnesses and the DCT mated to the block as a test and started writing a calibration file for the DME with the S85 and DCT. Seeing as it's an experiment, it's kind of low priority at the moment. I'm 99% certain it will work having spent quite literally hundreds of hours staring at the disassembly and still 2 hours every morning before starting work on the shop floor.
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After you've got this figured out with pricing let me know!
The unknown to me will be the transplant into the chassis.

For anyone not familiar with the S85, it has it's own range of problems the S65 is free of. Rod bearings are not an "if" on the S85, they're a "when". Clearance seems to solve that, at least in my experience.

The S65 is free of VANOS errors and the S85 is a nightmare with VANOS solenoid and the HP VANOS pump that goes with it. Most often the problems are the result of rod bearing swarf, but the VANOS pumps themselves are vulnerable to picking debris as well.
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The unknown to me will be the transplant into the chassis.

For anyone not familiar with the S85, it has it's own range of problems the S65 is free of. Rod bearings are not an "if" on the S85, they're a "when". Clearance seems to solve that, at least in my experience.

The S65 is free of VANOS errors and the S85 is a nightmare with VANOS solenoid and the HP VANOS pump that goes with it. Most often the problems are the result of rod bearing swarf, but the VANOS pumps themselves are vulnerable to picking debris as well.
These are the exact reasons I won't pick up an E60 or E63 M with 6MT, even though they're pretty reasonably priced these days. That engine is my favorite affordable exotic, but only when I don't think about those major problems unfortunately...
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