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08-29-2010, 01:18 PM | #46 | |
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The carbon issue is present in all direct injection engines (easy to search) and the extent of that issue remains to be seen over time. (I think I recall Bubbles saying his 335 got slower, weaker, poorer MPG, and had detonation issues--I could be wrong.) But in any case it's not an issue I'd want to deal with. The HPFP is a major fail. BMW had to extend the warranty to 100K miles on the N54 due to the ongoing failures. And we know how they hate to admit anything, so it's a big issue. The damn thing just fails, leaving your stranded who-knows-where or it fails when you need it (like in traffic). When it doesn't do that it's trip after trip to the dealer for replacements. Lots of folks have gone through a series of these pumps--check over at E90 post. And given BMW has acknowdged the issue it's not a problem that appears bigger than it is due to selection bias on forums. Yet again it doesn't look like (I'll admit we've gotten a glimpse only) they've gone with Brembos or something more akin to a Porsche-level braking system. Come on, if Ford and Mitsubishi can offer these..... Now, a smaller, lighter, more nimble car with the S65 in it? Sign me up now. Turbo? No high RPM? HPFP? No way. When it's time to consider selling the M3 I'll be looking at Porshe (never going to sell the Z4M). |
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The only reason BMW is going this direction is because they have no choice. A lot of new emissions laws are approaching (in Europe and the US) which are forcing BMW to be more efficient. I have an 2011 E92 M3 on order because it will be the last high revving NA BMW makes (at least in the foreseeable future). If you want to stick with buying new M cars, you are going to have to get used to more efficient turbo cars. That is the future of BMW. I think we should all be looking at the 1M Coupe very closely because this is the first car (not suv) under M Divisions new vision of more efficient M cars. If you don't like this car (aside from aesthetics), you may not like the future of BMW.
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the same reason we have the 335i in the first place. these changes are inevitable, and the BMW crowd is very prone to changing. |
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i wouldn't trade it, but id love to pick up a z4 m coupe !
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08-29-2010, 06:40 PM | #53 | |
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08-29-2010, 07:19 PM | #54 | |
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Porsche stays afloat because of the Cayenne. Porsche also happens to build the GT3. Does that diminish the GT3?...or does it fill the R&D coffers at Porsche and provide the needed capital to build the GT3?
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I'm not dead-set against turbos.
I just want the rest of the hardware to work and for the car to be exciting--and right now there are some issues to overcome. Look at the N54, no fun after 5.5K revs; heat soak, and death by HPFP. Look at Lazlo's post. That's not what any of us want. When they prove they've got those things conquered I'm more that open to reconsidering. But based on what I know now--which isn't much mind you--I need no reason to jump ship. Change isn't bad if done well...but I'm not a believer. Yet. |
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I have LOST sooooo much respect for BMW because of this car...
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I'm probably going to get some heat on this, but I really like the 1 series. I had a chance to drive a 135i convertible and my only complaint was the motor felt dead once you pass 5500 RPM, I'm looking forward to seeing/driving this car
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Porsche lives on Polo sales. Ha!
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Not sure why people on this board hate the 1 series. Most complain about the looks, but it looks more like the E46 than the E92 does and people say the E46 is the 3's best design. Regardless, it's not surprising that the M3 is a lot better than the 1 series. It does cost 20k more. I have an E90 335i and had a 135i (which I sold because I'm upgrading to the E92 M3). The 135i was so much more fun to drive than the E90. Obviously, the M3 is a lot better than both. I really can't wait to get back into a high revving N/A car.
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I had a tuned N54 and now a ZCP M3. Everyone loves the tune-ability of the N54 motor which is proven, but "heat" and lack of cooling was a huge issue with the old N54. Driving around the Ring in 60 degrees is great, try that in 90F+/90%+ humidity on a track and watch the timing get pulled. I hope BMW can remedy the cooling problems, but I have to wait to see it before I believe it.
COOLING!! If the M division can keep the motor cool, then I'd most certainly take a serious look at the 135iM
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Cooling not the only issue - HPFP can be one too.
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Of course.....actually 4 issues during my ownership. I assume everyone knows these pumps are disposable
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