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10-26-2007, 06:33 PM | #1 |
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C/D Comparo vs. RS4 & C63.....
M3 Wins.
0-60 in 4.3 A bit slower than the C63, a lot faster than the RS4. Much better handling than either. http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...08-bmw-m3.html |
10-26-2007, 07:50 PM | #3 |
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Wow, he says the RS4 interior looks slightly dated compared to the other entries.
ZOMG the sky is falling .... EDIT: keep reading Keto, he prefers the Audi to the "spaceship-console" M3. EDIT: C63 463 lbs heavier than M3. GG. |
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10-26-2007, 08:59 PM | #4 |
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Trumping the AMG in AMS, Autocar and now C&D as well.
Hats off BMW! Not sure where you saw 4.3 seconds for the 0-60 they claimed "Roughly a half-second has been lopped off the previous M3’s time to 60 mph". The only previous time I could find on their web site was the 2003 that clocked a 4.5. I'm guessing this does not mean they got a 4.0? Anyway great to hear the the old school single piston brakes offered better feel, less sponginess (fade - I think they meant from the context) and almost the same (slightly worse) stopping distance from 70mph. Also very odd that the tides are turning on the Audi interior. Just like many of us have been saying it just looks a little "dated" although still does have very nice fit, finish and materials. |
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10-26-2007, 09:59 PM | #6 |
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Make sense too, since the E46 M3 widely accepted time was 4.8.
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10-26-2007, 10:01 PM | #8 |
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10-26-2007, 10:35 PM | #9 |
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The best statement in the article.
...but next to the C63 and RS 4, this latest M3 offers the purest, least diluted, most involving, and best-in-class driver-and-machine relationship. |
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10-26-2007, 10:43 PM | #10 |
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It will be nice when DCT gets here and the car is no longer held back by the out dated manual tansmission. I suspect that is the big reason the C63 won the acceleration tests.
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10-26-2007, 11:00 PM | #11 |
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Well the M-DCT is going to help a lot but I am not sure it is enough to surpass the big 6.3l AMG. That is one nice automatic box on it. It is going to be very close though (according to my simulations...shhhh ).
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EDIT: Also, won't it be a bit more "fair" when the M3 sedan is up against these two? after all, its one coupe against two four-doors. I'm not sure the M3 sedan can do it against these two as well as the coupe. |
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10-28-2007, 04:11 PM | #17 |
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The C63 is an autobahn speed machine first, handling and fun to drive second. The M3 is the opposite. Fun is the first priority, along with great handling. The speed is also there, but it is more balanced. Great review.
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10-28-2007, 04:31 PM | #18 |
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I agree. MB's 7-speed autobox is a great tranny that shifts faster than any automatic I've ever driven. I've had this transmission twice on my former SLK55 and current ML63, and the version on the C63 has been tweaked even further to shift even faster. If this transmission can enable my 5200 lb truck with essentially the same engine as the C63 from 0-60 in 4.5 secs, I have no doubts about the 3.9 sec figure C&D has recorded for the C63. Unfortunately, it won't turn as well as the M3 and its sheer weight keeps it from being enough fun to drive except in a straight line.
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10-29-2007, 12:50 AM | #19 |
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A lot faster than RS4 ? not really at 60mph
60mph C63: 3.9 M3: 4.3 +0.4 RS4: 4.5 +0.6 100mph C63: 9.2 M3: 9.8 +0.6 RS4: 11.3 +2.1 The M3 with DCT will not beat C63 just look at the torque differences + 6.2l engine versus 4.0l ( no praise for the C63 with such a big engine) Not a fair comparison just like the 07 RS4 sedan beat the E46 coupe M3, the 08 E92 M3 coupe beat the 07 RS4 sedan. It's likely the 08 RS4 will get back ahead. |
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0-100 is a 0.6s difference. Now given each shift in a manual takes about 0.2-0.4s, remove 2 or 3 of those and guess what. Its too close to call. Does the car do 100 in 3rd or 4th? Automatics are good at drag racing for a reason. DCT should combine that upside with the control and efficiency of a manual. |
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B8 RS4 is still vaporware ATM. |
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No one has even a spy shot of a B8 RS4 or RS5. The RS5 is realistically two years off at best, and potentially (going by past history) could be five years off. |
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