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The fact that you do not understand that a passenger makes a big difference in a race like this shows you are not qualified to do any type of testing IMO. This is basic 101 stuff that everyone knows. To be faster than another car to the point that small variables are no longer a factor you would need a significant power difference between them. If you think your NA tune is making significantly more power than any other tune your are crazy and or naive. Best case scenario one NA tune might make 5-10 HP more than another. if you think this is going to allow you to overcome all the variables that exist between two cars and drivers you are wrong. I have seen enough on this forum and others over the years to know that ESS has always been open and honest with their claims of power and how tuning on different platforms works. I have also seen many other vendors who change their story and or marketing strategy to sell based on hype. This is why ESS is the only vendor who is allowed to tune my BMW because in the end reputation and history does mean alot to me. |
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Which did not take anything away from your prior comments nor my criticism thereof.
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THE only way to settle this issue is through mathematics, like it or not, that is the way, specifically I mean through the use of statistics. My strong suspicion is that the conclusion from such an effort would be that the tunes simply are not statistically (i.e. meaningfully) different. That's pretty much a foregone conclusion for me anyway...
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STi trator was open to running again with no passengers in both cars and even my suggestion of taking UBER's passenger in his car to shift the weight. It seems that UBER still does not want to run even with the weight switched around, so your point about weight in this is a moot point. You can speculate all you want. Let them run and then talk. He's not nitpicking and saying well, I'm on older DCT software, and my motor has 40K miles more and is older, the E92 is lighter, etc.. etc.. If you think the passenger is the huge difference in this, then lets say he's 180lbs. Sti had 70 lbs in his trunk, 22 lbs heavier car from being an E90, and UBER has weight savings of 31lbs with the Akra over the OEM exhaust. So taking all of this into account (180-70-22-31) = 57 lbs difference (plus there is probably a difference from UBER having heavier wheels)... But seriously .. look at this. We can go through this all day long. There is NO point. Everyone just enjoy the tunes and that's it. If you want a better test, flash both cars back to stock, get a baseline, and go from there eliminating as many variables as possible. This is really turning into nonsense! Everyone likes to argue here, its incredible! This isn't a scientific test so there is not reason to play it out to be. and +2 to what swamp said, it's impossible to replicate performance in the real world accurately on a stationary dyno. Too many variables.
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You stated that you would do this if it was "legit" by making it legit we flash stock, do runs, flash the tune and see the difference. You have the weight advantage of being an E92 with an Akro exhaust. That equals around 50-60 pounds on the advantage. |
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You have made the excuses and I have come with options. You stated that if it was "legit" we would do it. I think the only thing that is negative here is you backing out after knowing what the outcome will be. The "variables" have been addressed and solutions have been presented. There is still a chance for us to compare the tunes evenly.
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yes my friend last post on this thread its too sour
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