2013 SVT Mustang GT500

[Dave07997S]

Car and Driver just ran a 11.8@125mph, 0-60 in 3.5 and 0-100 in 7.8 sec. Oh, it pulled 1.0g on a 300 ft. skidpad.

Here's the article..http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-test-review-blue-ton-of-horsepower-page-1

I know we will hear, "its a Ford?!", it can't turn or the interior sucks..whatever, don't care. This car rocks!!

Dave

[THE TECH]

I'd take one, but not if I had to give up the M.

[Erhan]

I was watching Chris Harris' M5 video on youtube yesterday. He said BMW stole all the good people from Ford because Ford was beating them badly in European Touring Car Championship... And then they came up with E28 M5. So what was that again about Ford? Not to mention Ford is building FR500S and Boss 302S race cars which cost around a fully loaded M3. These are brand new, factory built race cars. I have huge respect to Ford these days.

[templarklimek]

While the dash is cheaplooking I could live with the rest of the interior plus the performance. You can get recaro's too. I wish BMW had recaros as an option. Mini does.......

[M3Denver]

Give me a ford car with a shape I can love a d I'll ditch the m

[swanson]

This car rocks. I'd love to get one

[THE TECH]

Originally Posted by templarklimek

While the dash is cheaplooking I could live with the rest of the interior plus the performance. You can get recaro's too. I wish BMW had recaros as an option. Mini does.......

I've sat in the Ford Recaros. Nothing to be desired IMO. I'd rather buy a better set to put in.

[M3 Montreal]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

Car and Driver just ran a 11.8@125mph, 0-60 in 3.5 and 0-100 in 7.8 sec. Oh, it pulled 1.0g on a 300 ft. skidpad.

Here's the article..http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-test-review-blue-ton-of-horsepower-page-1

I know we will hear, "its a Ford?!", it can't turn or the interior sucks..whatever, don't care. This car rocks!!

Dave

I'd like to see how it transitions. I find cars nowadays are getting better on lateral G but a track will have transitions and bumps.

I don't think the rear suspension can handle anything but the smoothest road surfaces.

Until they put that beast of an engine in a better chassis with IRS I would pass on it as it still a straight line car.

My 08 M3 was stolen and I rented a 2013 mustang GT for a few weeks. I was VERY disappointed with its handling. The engine was great but it can't handle bumps at all. It bounces way too much in the back.

Wait for the new chassis that will come out with IRS. I think then it will be a contender for track use.

That's my opinion and I came VERY close to picking one up when mine was stolen but in the end I ordered a 2012 M3 because I hated the bounciness and terrible transitioning.

I would buy the Camaro over the GT500 as its proven to handle extremely well on the track and has plenty of power for street use. My problem with the camaro is its weight.

I think the next gen Mustang and Camaro will be amazing. I would hold off unless you prefer drag racing.

The gt500 does 0 to 60 in first gear which helps on that amazing time.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by M3 Montreal

I'd like to see how it transitions. I find cars nowadays are getting better on lateral G but a track will have transitions and bumps.

I don't think the rear suspension can handle anything but the smoothest road surfaces.

Until they put that beast of an engine in a better chassis with IRS I would pass on it as it still a straight line car.

My 08 M3 was stolen and I rented a 2013 mustang GT for a few weeks. I was VERY disappointed with its handling. The engine was great but it can't handle bumps at all. It bounces way too much in the back.

Wait for the new chassis that will come out with IRS. I think then it will be a contender for track use.

That's my opinion and I came VERY close to picking one up when mine was stolen but in the end I ordered a 2012 M3 because I hated the bounciness and terrible transitioning.

I would buy the Camaro over the GT500 as its proven to handle extremely well on the track and has plenty of power for street use. My problem with the camaro is its weight.

I think the next gen Mustang and Camaro will be amazing. I would hold off unless you prefer drag racing.

The gt500 does 0 to 60 in first gear which helps on that amazing time.

I don't plan on getting this car as I somewhat agree with you that the next Mustang is the one to get. However, the GT500 even with its live axle handles quite well and did amazingly well in the lightning lap of america.

A 3.73 final drive and some d/r's and this car is in the 10s, amazing.

Dave

[krnnerdboy]

here was my boss 302


and I would have no issues beating up on any m car on the track, but the problem was that this car would beat you up on the streets as the above poster mentioned. The ride was soft but the transitions were poor and the rear end would always have you on edge, although I never had an issue, I was never at ease. Imagine about 2 or 3 more bump/weight transitions than needed. This was cuased by the panhard bar setup that was designed to move the axle from left to right when compressing, but you could get a watts link setup if you wantd to fix that. BTW this was the most neutral car I had ever been in on the track. With 500 miles on the odometer and with just 3 laps on the car my buddy bested a 1:27 at streets of willow with a lot more left in it.

Considering the gt500 is getting the full boss suspension treatment and some, this thing is going to be in the low 7:40 range on the nurburgring. Quite simply bmw has nothing that will touch this in the performance category, I don't even think the new m3 will come close to it. Hell I even think the boss 302 is faster than my v10 m6 i traded in for. but as many have mentioned before there;s more to a car than just numbers. My boss sat in my garage until trackdays bc I had no desire to drive it on the streets, but man what a beast on the track

[e92involved]

Hot damn, guess I will be buying another one!

[e92involved]

Originally Posted by THE TECH

I'd take one, but not if I had to give up the M.

Second that. I like being able to turn the wheel over 120

[bruce.augenstein@comcast.]

Originally Posted by krnnerdboy

here was my boss 302

and I would have no issues beating up on any m car on the track, but the problem was that this car would beat you up on the streets as the above poster mentioned. The ride was soft but the transitions were poor and the rear end would always have you on edge, although I never had an issue, I was never at ease. Imagine about 2 or 3 more bump/weight transitions than needed. This was cuased by the panhard bar setup that was designed to move the axle from left to right when compressing, but you could get a watts link setup if you wantd to fix that. BTW this was the most neutral car I had ever been in on the track. With 500 miles on the odometer and with just 3 laps on the car my buddy bested a 1:27 at streets of willow with a lot more left in it.

Considering the gt500 is getting the full boss suspension treatment and some, this thing is going to be in the low 7:40 range on the nurburgring. Quite simply bmw has nothing that will touch this in the performance category, I don't even think the new m3 will come close to it. Hell I even think the boss 302 is faster than my v10 m6 i traded in for. but as many have mentioned before there;s more to a car than just numbers. My boss sat in my garage until trackdays bc I had no desire to drive it on the streets, but man what a beast on the track

My son recently traded his GTI (bought for track use) in on a Boss 302 LS, and also finds that M3s are no problem on track. He thinks the Boss is fine for short-medium rides on the street, but wouldn't take it cross country.

In short, his experience mirrors yours. Of course, since he bought it for the track, he's unreservedly delighted.

The C63 soldiers on as his slightly more civilized street ride.

Bruce

[sycd]

Bunch of crappy plastic put together with a monster engine in the middle. They can keep it.

[mark896]

Originally Posted by sycd

Bunch of crappy plastic put together with a monster engine in the middle. They can keep it.

Hate to say it but I agree. You can make a Yugo faster than a Veyron, but at the end of the day, it's still a Yugo. Guess I'm getting older but it's not all about horsepower to me anymore.

[crabman]

I have a suspicion that no one is noticing the "crappy plastic" when the "monster engine" is doing its thing which is the reason for entry anyways. Comparing the car to a yugo is utterly wrong. My guess is the cars real quality (initial defects, reliability, long term durability) both short and long term will exceed the M3s we drive around in right now. But please feel free to stick your noses in the air and pretend superiority because you drive a BMW which for years as a brand has lagged behind Ford in pretty much every real quality measure that can be made other than the hard to quantify "Just how much of a cock is the man who drives this car?" factor.

[edever]

Originally Posted by crabman

...BMW which for years as a brand has lagged behind Ford in pretty much every real quality measure that can be made...

That sounds more like hyperbole than anything; could you enumerate those real quality measures?

[I M STIG]

Originally Posted by M3 Montreal

I'd like to see how it transitions. I find cars nowadays are getting better on lateral G but a track will have transitions and bumps.

I don't think the rear suspension can handle anything but the smoothest road surfaces.

Until they put that beast of an engine in a better chassis with IRS I would pass on it as it still a straight line car.

My 08 M3 was stolen and I rented a 2013 mustang GT for a few weeks. I was VERY disappointed with its handling. The engine was great but it can't handle bumps at all. It bounces way too much in the back.

Wait for the new chassis that will come out with IRS. I think then it will be a contender for track use.

That's my opinion and I came VERY close to picking one up when mine was stolen but in the end I ordered a 2012 M3 because I hated the bounciness and terrible transitioning.

I would buy the Camaro over the GT500 as its proven to handle extremely well on the track and has plenty of power for street use. My problem with the camaro is its weight.

I think the next gen Mustang and Camaro will be amazing. I would hold off unless you prefer drag racing.

The gt500 does 0 to 60 in first gear which helps on that amazing time.

The Camaro, while a tad more comfortable in the rear, is a piece of shit by comparison. Drive both cars for a week and you'll enjoy the lighter weight, nicer interior, and the overall ability to see out of the Mustang much better.

I had an '08 Bullitt Mustang, and I honestly don't understand what you guys are talking about. The rear end wasn't perfect over bumps, especially when it corners, however it wasn't as bad as anyone's making it out to be. I also had a 2011 GT for a week with the Brembos, 3.73 with LSD, etc. and I found the car to be fantastic. It was not as good as my M3, but it was better than a Corvette for every day use, as well as a cross-country tourer.

The Mustang is more car than people give it credit. The solid rear axle is no snake charmer, but it's certainly good enough for any sort of use.

I haven't driven the Boss on or off track, so I can't comment there.

And while we're being honest, for those who don't like the plastics of the Mustang, have you seen what happens to a $70,000+ M3 after 30K miles?! The steering wheel and grab handle trim comes off on your fingers, the seats make noises when getting out of the car, the whole interior rattles like it's a damn Cadillac CTS. That's atrocious!

So for those talking shit about the Mustang, remember that our M3s are not perfect, and for the money, aren't as good as they could be.

[mark896]

I dont think the Mustang is a piece of shit, I just can't see paying $80K for one--no matter how much hp they put in it.

[swanson]

Originally Posted by mark896

I dont think the Mustang is a piece of shit, I just can't see paying $80K for one--no matter how much hp they put in it.

but you have no problems paying near that for a modified 3 series?

[crabman]

Originally Posted by edever

That sounds more like hyperbole than anything; could you enumerate those real quality measures?

Pick your poison, JD power initial defects, long term defects, reliability. Or any other such entity that looks at these things if you prefer. It makes no difference as you will see it wherever you go. BMW has fallen behind Ford and others in terms of quality, fact, not hyperbole.

Here is a cut and paste since you seem to want to be spoon fed, notice Ford at number 5 compared to BMW at 16 where it sits lower than Hyundai or even Chevrolet. Notice outside of the stunningly bad Land Rover there is no lower rated luxury brand manufactured in any country? MB, Audi, Lexus, Cadillac, Lincoln, Infiniti, all higher rated. Again you will see this pretty much everywhere you go looking at any real measure of quality. Do the research yourself and see what you think then. I like my M3 a great deal but I'm not going to pretend its the best thing since deep dish pizza just because its a BMW.

Porsche (83)
Acura (86)
Mercedes-Benz (87)
Lexus (88)
Ford (93)
Honda (95)
Hyundai (102)
Lincoln (106)
Infiniti (107)
Volvo (109)
Ram (110)
Audi (111)
Cadillac (111)
Chevrolet (111)
Nissan (111)
BMW (113)
Mercury (113)
Buick (114)
Mazda(114)
Scion (114)
Toyota (117)
Subaru (121)
Chrysler (122)
Suzuki (122)
GMC (126)
Kia (126)
Jeep (129)
Dodge (130)
Jaguar (130)
Mini (133)
Volkswagen (135)
Mitsubishi (146)
Land Rover (170)

[edever]

Originally Posted by crabman

...JD power initial defects, long term defects, reliability.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by crabman

Here is a cut and paste since you seem to want to be spoon fed...

I just wanted to know what you felt were "real quality measures".