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Also, argument should be "on a $60k performance car".
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08-23-2007, 09:54 PM | #68 |
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60k after options? we'll see...
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08-23-2007, 09:55 PM | #69 |
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decent = doesn't fade after a few laps at lime rock (not a heavy braking track).
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08-23-2007, 10:11 PM | #70 | |
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They are sending a crystal clear message to the resale market about how they perceive their own reliability - specifically in electronic technology and SMG. This thread frankly gives me serious pause. I'm on the fence about a 997S (used) or a new M3 and now I think I'm going to wait a year to see if the M3 is simply the next M5 (a disaster). I'm not talking about 0-60 or handling here. I'm talking about BMW making the same technology mistakes on the E92 M3 as the E60 M5. On the upside, at least they are not offering the SMG III for the 08 M3. What a disaster that would have been. Either way - I'm not ordering ANY of this techno BS in my build. Have fun with your cars in the shop boys! |
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08-23-2007, 10:30 PM | #71 |
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That isn't the point. The OP of the $70k mark was talking as if the base price, which would include the factory brakes, would be $70k. That is going to be proven most incorrect.
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08-23-2007, 10:41 PM | #74 | |
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Of course for those that just buy an M3 to look cool in one won't need any better brakes than what BMW puts on.
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08-23-2007, 10:43 PM | #75 |
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then lets not brag about it being tuned on the 'ring then..
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08-23-2007, 11:51 PM | #77 |
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It was only compared to the base 997 in the BMW materials and I am pretty sure that was not a brochures, but a sales guide for BMW sales folks. However, that being said the car will likely outperform the current 997S and already has with some particulars. A totally fair comparison IMO except the cost of the M3 will be way less.
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08-24-2007, 09:37 AM | #81 |
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To bring this thread back around
I will probably get EDC but I am on the fence about Mdrive. From what I have read the only thing I will lose is the ability to customize the M button. Without Mdrive I will have to push all the buttons in the order I want to get the settings I want. Honestly, this will probably take only a few seconds once I become comfortable with the controls. To be honest Mdrive to me will not be worth 6K or maybe even 3K if that ends up being the case. Howver, I am not even sure that Mdrive is an option. I guess we will see... Jason
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Honestly, how many hot shoes complaining about the brakes will (a) actually buy the car AND (b) take it on the track at 10/10s?
I don't know. If I buy the car, I probably will not take it to 10/10s (of my own ability) on the track unlike with my E46 M3, because honestly I am not as comfortable as I used to be with the notion of wadding up a new car and (at best) being dropped from my insurance carrier. Good luck finding new coverage in that situation. If that makes me a poseur in the eyes of some hard core forum racers, then so be it. I've taken my E46 M3 to 10/10s at Road America, a very high speed/hard braking track for multiple 20 minute sessions. Turn 5 in particular is tough on brakes because you are braking for a second gear turn at the bottom of a fairly steep hill, which is at the end of a long straight. Canada corner also can induce some pucker when braking. I experienced slight fade towards the end of each session. Not enough to spook me or even to make me back off. Certainly not enough to justify investing $5k in a big brake kit. If the new M3 has similar braking performance, that is enough for a poseur like me. |
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Namely the 3rd and extra throttle setting (sport plus). The ability to change the responsiveness of the steering (servotronic). |
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-MDM mode -third throttle mapping -second sterring mode It's not that expensive if you're ordering NAV anyway (~500€ in Germany)... Best regards, south |
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there are some rumors floating around the the new M is faster around the ring than the 997S...I guess we will just have to wait and see...
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Epacy and MI6 started hitting me with fan boy responses when I expressed what I thought were legitimate concerns about the M3. Got to the point where I thought I would have some fun and take them to task a bit. I agree with you in general. However, I find it ironic that you never call the fan boys out for "needling" or "fanboism" in fact you support their arguments. Epacy had it right when he said this is BMW site. I need to keep that in mind.
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