BMW NA Approves New S65 Engine Replacement Due to Bad Rod Bearings

TTSam · 02-10-2014, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

Completely agree. We're going as far as to recommend oil samples on every oil change, we keep extra containers here.

I didn't have an exact mileage provided, so it's an estimate we use based on the high side.

Regular oil samples are essentially the closest way to know what's going on inside without tearing apart the engine, possibly giving one a fighting change before something catastrophic happens.

I am sure it is listed somewhere but I couldn't find it. Is there a way to get a Blackstone report done in Canada? I would think shipping oil over the border would be an issue.

W/// · 02-10-2014, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TTSam

I am sure it is listed somewhere but I couldn't find it. Is there a way to get a Blackstone report done in Canada? I would think shipping oil over the border would be an issue.

Don't think it should be. Could have sworn I've seen Canadian members do it before. Maybe give them a call and ask. The container you send in is tiny so shipping expensive wouldn't be the issue.

e92livin · 02-10-2014, 07:12 PM

Congrats! We need more BMW dealerships like this around.

roastbeef · 02-10-2014, 07:12 PM

That is great news, I'm happy for you.

aus · 02-10-2014, 07:46 PM

Who what would be elevated on the newer bearings without lead?

.

MrStinky · 02-10-2014, 08:06 PM

Where is the onus on the op when he didn't buy a warranty yet expects goodwill from BMW? And a warranty! I mean I'm happy for you but at same time isn't this the risk you take?

Petros · 02-10-2014, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TTSam

I am sure it is listed somewhere but I couldn't find it. Is there a way to get a Blackstone report done in Canada? I would think shipping oil over the border would be an issue.

I already did mine and shipped it via UPS. No problems. I think it cost me an additional $20 or so to ship.

Petros · 02-10-2014, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrStinky

Where is the onus on the op when he didn't buy a warranty yet expects goodwill from BMW? And a warranty! I mean I'm happy for you but at same time isn't this the risk you take?

No one expects "goodwill" repairs from BMW. We expect them to do their damn job properly and not design engines that self destruct far sooner than they have any right to. especially when they charge us an arm and a leg to buy their cars.

TX · 02-10-2014, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petros

No one expects "goodwill" repairs from BMW. We expect them to do their damn job properly and not design engines that self destruct far sooner than they have any right to. especially when they charge us an arm and a leg to buy their cars.

exactly, an engine that is properly maintained and fails at 53,000 miles (some much lower) with this kind of damage is inexcusable and should be fully covered by BMW. I would hope that could be expected from this company. I'm sure I'm starting a war and some will say "Hey, it's a very small percentage of engines that failed so clearly it's not an issue" I disagree, I think this is an issue and should be covered by any dealer. To have an identical failure even on a small percentage of engines is an issue. Sadly, I think for whatever reason, that we all can not expect to have the same results as the OP with BMWNA being as generous. I'm actually shocked at his results with them. With my 24ppm lead and an extended warranty expiring next year, I'll be watching my oil reports closely.

FogCityM3 · 02-10-2014, 09:21 PM

most definitely!

Quote:

Originally Posted by kawasaki00

They know there is a problem. They would not be giving out free engines if not.

FogCityM3 · 02-10-2014, 09:22 PM

exactly...it's called doing the right thing as a business

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petros

No one expects "goodwill" repairs from BMW. We expect them to do their damn job properly and not design engines that self destruct far sooner than they have any right to. especially when they charge us an arm and a leg to buy their cars.

///mawana · 02-10-2014, 09:22 PM

Congrats OP - more than likely BMW will cover any such failures especially considering that other lawsuit they ended up paying out.

Problem is we are still leaving it to chance hoping they will goodwill in case of failure, what if they don't and one has no warranty? We need to find a way to take control, away from BMW, of this situation. Class Action ???

Race_Doc11 · 02-10-2014, 09:39 PM

Congrats OP. This thread got me concerned I have E93 2008 with 32K miles how do I know if I have a rod bearing problem? and what oil should we use now? Tx

TheDeliverator · 02-10-2014, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aus

Who what would be elevated on the newer bearings without lead?

.

The new

Quote:

Originally Posted by regular guy

702/703 bearings are of an aluminized tin/silicon compound.

So I'd assume elevated tin.

See the post linked below
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...71&postcount=7

TX · 02-10-2014, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racedoc11

Congrats OP. This thread got me concerned I have E93 2008 with 32K miles how do I know if I have a rod bearing problem? and what oil should we use now? Tx

keep track of the metal wear levels in your blackstone reports, looks like early signs are mostly lead. Lead will progress into other metals (iron, copper)

Bmw M3 Guy · 02-10-2014, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrStinky

Where is the onus on the op when he didn't buy a warranty yet expects goodwill from BMW? And a warranty! I mean I'm happy for you but at same time isn't this the risk you take?

What? I was willing to pay an independent shop to *fix* my problem. Once they found out it was worse than quoted, that's a faulty part on BMW's behalf. Is it my responsibility to be penalized for a faulty part when I was willing to spend sub $2,000 to fix an issue I knew was not due to my driving habits? I didn't expect a goodwill, they offered this. I was not demanding nor expecting, just bringing them attention to my experience.

comment bot · 02-10-2014, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrStinky

Where is the onus on the op when he didn't buy a warranty yet expects goodwill from BMW? And a warranty! I mean I'm happy for you but at same time isn't this the risk you take?

Has there been a successful rod bearings claim under extended warranty you can point us to?

AdonM3 · 02-10-2014, 10:29 PM

Nice hearing things like this. Glad BMW stepped up and took care of you.

track_warrior · 02-10-2014, 10:35 PM

Congrats man, glad to see bmw resolving the issue.

lsal · 02-10-2014, 10:56 PM

Great story! Happy to hear BMW came through!

deletedelete · 02-10-2014, 11:00 PM

Wow that's fantastic. Congrats.

W Cole · 02-10-2014, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrStinky

Where is the onus on the op when he didn't buy a warranty yet expects goodwill from BMW? And a warranty! I mean I'm happy for you but at same time isn't this the risk you take?

A failed rod bearing at 55,000 miles is indicative of faulty design. BMW needs to step up to the plate like they did on the e46 and recall the bearings and extend the engine warranty to 10 years.

In lieu of that, offering goodwill repair and extending warranties on a case by case basis seems reasonable to me.

Saying the OP should be responsible for a BMW manufacturing defect is BS.

02-10-2014, 07:12 PM	#47
e92livin Major 74 Rep 1,123 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Orlando iTrader: (7)	Congrats! We need more BMW dealerships like this around. __________________ 2008 E92 BMW M3 MR/BB 6MT \|Gintani Supercharged\|Gintani X-Pipe\|Stack Gauges\|Volk TE37SL\|BC Racing Coilovers\|Nitto NT05R \|BMW Performance Spoiler\|BMW Performance Steering Wheel\|BMW Performance Side Gills + Grilles\|Mode Carbon V1 Endurance\|IND Tri- Stitched Shift + Brake Boot - 566WHP, 371WTQ \|
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-10-2014, 07:12 PM	#48
roastbeef Lieutenant General 11585 Rep 12,725 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Orange County, CA iTrader: (4)	That is great news, I'm happy for you. __________________ Instagram; @roastbeefmike
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-10-2014, 07:46 PM	#49
aus Major General 890 Rep 9,032 Posts Drives: Odysse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA iTrader: (10)	Who what would be elevated on the newer bearings without lead? . __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-10-2014, 08:06 PM	#50
MrStinky Banned 8 Rep 182 Posts Drives: m3 Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: usa iTrader: (0)	Where is the onus on the op when he didn't buy a warranty yet expects goodwill from BMW? And a warranty! I mean I'm happy for you but at same time isn't this the risk you take?
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-10-2014, 09:22 PM	#56
///mawana Lieutenant 80 Rep 564 Posts Drives: e90 M3 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Prosper, TX iTrader: (0)	Congrats OP - more than likely BMW will cover any such failures especially considering that other lawsuit they ended up paying out. Problem is we are still leaving it to chance hoping they will goodwill in case of failure, what if they don't and one has no warranty? We need to find a way to take control, away from BMW, of this situation. Class Action ??? __________________ 2015 K46 S1KRR 2008 E90 M3
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-10-2014, 09:39 PM	#57
Race_Doc11 Lieutenant Colonel 460 Rep 1,633 Posts Drives: 2023 G82 M4 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: USA iTrader: (1) Garage List 2023 BMW G82 M4 [0.00] 2018 F80 M3 [10.00] 2013 Audi RS5 (Sold) [10.00] 2008 E93 M3 (Sold) [10.00]	Congrats OP. This thread got me concerned I have E93 2008 with 32K miles how do I know if I have a rod bearing problem? and what oil should we use now? Tx
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-10-2014, 10:29 PM	#62
AdonM3 Second Lieutenant 121 Rep 295 Posts Drives: e92 M3 6mt Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Cali iTrader: (0)	Nice hearing things like this. Glad BMW stepped up and took care of you.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-10-2014, 10:35 PM	#63
track_warrior Captain 98 Rep 728 Posts Drives: F80 M3 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Merida, Yucatan iTrader: (1)	Congrats man, glad to see bmw resolving the issue. __________________ Compensating a heavy car with horsepower is like giving an alcoholic cocaine to sober him up...
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-10-2014, 10:56 PM	#64
lsal We are all Longwong 138 Rep 940 Posts Drives: F90 CP LCI Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Cambridge, MA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW M3 [10.00]	Great story! Happy to hear BMW came through!
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-10-2014, 11:00 PM	#65
deletedelete Major General 361 Rep 5,873 Posts Drives: m Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: usa iTrader: (14) Garage List 2013 e92 M3 [0.00] 2011 e93 M3 (sold) [0.00] 2009 335xi (sold) [0.00]	Wow that's fantastic. Congrats. __________________ ---> Click For xi/xDrive Suspension Compatibility List <---
	Appreciate 0 Quote