2013 > 2011

MKE_M3 · 12-28-2012, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by motortrend

I am glad I didn't get one of the later 2011s with the auto start/stop. It's a little annoying on the X3 having to turn it off when I don't want it to work

It defaults to off in the M3. You need to turn it on.

jonasaurus · 12-28-2012, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MKE_M3

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Originally Posted by motortrend

I am glad I didn't get one of the later 2011s with the auto start/stop. It's a little annoying on the X3 having to turn it off when I don't want it to work

It defaults to off in the M3. You need to turn it on.

Depends which country, it's default on over here in the UK

MRSSIIM3 · 12-31-2012, 02:22 AM

im working on contacting the owner of my 2011 m3 to see if he wants to meet up to go dyno the car so we can compare the two

Talk2meg00se · 01-01-2013, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Rakete

If the 2011's ECU had never been updated it could just be that the 2013 is running 240E. That and it has some thousands of miles less on the odometer.

My 2010 is now running 240E plus the BPM tune and it is almost like a different car. My car only has 4,744 miles too so it's almost new.

There is no reason to believe that BMW made any improvements other than in software. Their decontenting and changes in materials tell a different story, one of decreasing unit cost.

This might be a stupid question, but the ECU update only necessary if running a DCT? I don't believe that I've ever updated my '08's ECU, but then again I have a MT so don't think that it's necessary (??)

CBS · 01-01-2013, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by davem3fan

Logic?

For example, I had an 08 and then jumped to a 2011 for better financing, lower payment, more features, different color, fresh warranty, etc.

With the savings, I also got another Euro Delivery out of it.
One of the smartest little chess games I ever played.

I too played that same Chess game - '08 to an '11.
Curious if I could do the same on the MY13?

///M Rakete · 01-01-2013, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Talk2meg00se

This might be a stupid question, but the ECU update only necessary if running a DCT? I don't believe that I've ever updated my '08's ECU, but then again I have a MT so don't think that it's necessary (??)

Most engine management is independent of the transmission. An MT equipped car will benefit just as much as a DCT equipped one except for anything that is specifically related to a DCT gear change involving alteration of the engine's behavior during the gear change/engagement (as in how the computer simulates you lifting off the throttle when you have a clutch pedal).

SenorFunkyPants · 01-02-2013, 02:06 AM

You can be reasonably confident that most changes in the ECU mapping over models years would be to increase efficiency (mpg) and drivability...increasing engine performance (bhp) offers no benefit to BMW (in fact the opposite) unless the headline numbers could be used in marketing to freshen up sales.

SenorFunkyPants · 01-02-2013, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Talk2meg00se

This might be a stupid question, but the ECU update only necessary if running a DCT? I don't believe that I've ever updated my '08's ECU, but then again I have a MT so don't think that it's necessary (??)

IIRC a couple of the software updates "fixed" a flat spot when applying wide throttle opening at lowish revs and another referenced the cold start up cycle.
The first in particular is an improvement worth having.
These apply to both MT and DCT.

bigjae1976 · 01-02-2013, 06:22 AM

There is a variance in actual HP #'s with the same engine built at different times. Also adaptations might play a role as well.

///Matthew · 01-02-2013, 01:55 PM

I'll let you guys know when I take delivery of my 2013 M3. I had every intention of keeping this car for the foreseeable future, however Sandy's flood waters disagreed... Lost the '11 and my '99 M3s and an '08 Tahoe (along with quite a bit more, namely the first floor and contents of my house).

2013 Santorini Blue coupe is on order for European Delivery in March.

LOVEM · 01-02-2013, 02:35 PM

2013 Santorini Blue coupe is on order for European Delivery in March.

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SO SORRY to hear about your Loss/

I am planning in mid march for my euro delivery as well, will keep you posted.

///Matthew · 01-02-2013, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LOVEM

2013 Santorini Blue coupe is on order for European Delivery in March.

SO SORRY to hear about your Loss/

I am planning in mid march for my euro delivery as well, will keep you posted.

[/QUOTE]

Thank you! It was rough, but I'm trying to make the best of it. Perhaps I'll see you at the Welt!

bvanderbilt · 01-02-2013, 03:15 PM

Planning my 2nd mid-March ED here. Great time to go if you're willing to gamble on the weather. Germany is basically deserted except for locals and Japanese tourists.

Talk2meg00se · 01-02-2013, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Rakete

Most engine management is independent of the transmission. An MT equipped car will benefit just as much as a DCT equipped one except for anything that is specifically related to a DCT gear change involving alteration of the engine's behavior during the gear change/engagement (as in how the computer simulates you lifting off the throttle when you have a clutch pedal).

Well it looks like I need to contact BMW to get an idea of which ECU version I have. Annoyed that the tuner didn't tell me about this before doing the ESS flash.

DARK_M3 · 01-03-2013, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by PhillyNate

I can't imagine BMW hasn't tweaked and/or improved something in this car in 6 years to make it a little faster.

That's what Alpina is for

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