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Everyone tells him that, on every one of his posts, here and over in the e90post forum and he never listens, hence why I never read his posts.
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The GT-R will be a great car, but the spirit of the car itself is completely different (I'm not saying that is better or worse, it's just another thing). The same thing goes for american cars and that's before talking about the quality of american cars... german quality and "feel" is something else.
What can beat the M3 (in the same department) is the new RS4, which will be launched in at least a couple of years..... Will all depend on how hard Audi works. I don't thunk that they will use an engine with much more power than the M3. It's supposed to be a V10 and MUCH more expensive. MRSP will be at least 70k. The same think happened with the old generation. The old M3 had 330HP, after a couple of years, the 420HP RS4 came and although it was prefered by a lot of people over the E46 M3, it was very expensive and the performance wasn't that over the M3. And the last thing... as jeremy Clarkson said: BMW invented the compact performance cars and even though other manufactures have been trying to imitate it with good results, they still are copies. The same things happens with the S class. 7 series, lexus, infinnity, etc.. make great large saloons, but the S class is the king... no matter what. |
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01-22-2008, 04:53 PM | #71 |
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It's all about evolution, the M3 was the top dog for several generations, have had a chance to perfect their product.
now there are many entries into the category, getting close. 1. Benz has gotten a lot better, use to be to soft. 2. Lexus, 1st try out is a hell of a try. 3. RS4 was better than the E46 M3, now the New M3 is better. even for me, I always liked Corvettes, but wasn't impressed by their performance or looks until the C6 came out and waited for a mid cycle change, which I choose the 08 LS3, now if the Corvette did not evolve, I would have waited for the M3. I've always bought BMW's, due to the driving dynamics and performance. Have to admit in 2001, an E46 M3 would do 13.0-13.2 consistently at Moroso, in 2001 that was very impressive. |
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I can afford either car, I just don't WANT a 335i, I do WANT an M3. To distinguish a 335i it requires mods, software, wheels, tape on body parts, whatever. In the end you've "saved" a few thousand dollars, voided your warranty, and will lose all of what you saved at resale if not more.
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OK, we will agree to disagree on who the respective cars are competing for, because for 1 they are competing for me.
2, I am not aware of any"official" track comparisons between a slightly modded 335i and the e90/92 m3. There is a guy with a Dinan modified 335i, reported to be an experienced racer, over on e90post that reports beating Porsche GT3's and Vette's at Laguna. If that's the case, then the M3 will suffer the same fate. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108953 Interesting thing is this is the first guy who has reported an issue with the brakes, but based on his racing resume also may have flogged the car the hardest or been on a heavy braking track. Like I said, we'll know more this year. Last edited by sdiver68; 01-24-2008 at 08:43 PM.. |
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01-24-2008, 01:53 PM | #75 | |
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Stock 335i decently equipped. 46k Dinan exhaust 1900 Dinan Software 2000 Dinan Diff 3500 Dinan Suspension 1500 Dinan oil cooler 2000 Dinan 19" wheels 4000 plus 2000 install(lowballing this one) 63000 bucks and you have a car that still has less HP than an m3 worse brakes worse interior (smaller steering wheel, not as nice of seats or leather) doesn't look as good (no fender flares, quad exhaust, rear diffuser, trunk lip, cf roof, m front bumper, hood buldge etc) does not sound as good as the m3 v8 ( no argument here I hope) All this and still have a slower car. With all of these mods, the 335 will still have 40 less hp, a suspension that is equally as good, a diff. that is probably as not as good(based on the probs with dinans previous diffs), a car that does not look as good and has worse brakes. The 335i is a great car, but is no competition for an m3. Spending over 15 grand in mods and comparing it to another car is stupid. The rs4, c63 and is-f are it's competition. |
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BTW, the GT3 actual weight versus the 335i is less than 200 lbs difference, maybe even under 100 lbs. Edmunds weighed their test GT3 at 3283 lbs, C&D weighed their 335i test car at 3366 lbs. But you can go argue with the man about his track results, you have a log-in. Those prices are way too high, that's what he gets for buying Dinan. Decently equipped 335i e90 Step incl trip for ED: $42K KW V3 $2K BBS Forged Wheels $3K Vishnu tune $1.6K Quiafe Diff:$2K <--optional except for Auto-X, price could be higher if you get the welded differential BBK = $3.5K <--optional but nice, also note M3 reviews complained about brakes so what's good for the goose... = $54K for a car with more HP, way more TQ, much better brakes, equal suspension, virtually same interior, much better fuel economy, 250 lbs lighter, better resale value, and all-around faster than an equivalent 63K+? (with M-DCT) e90 M3. Oh, and a free trip to Germany and Q-ship cool points to boot! Oh forgot 1 more thing in the prices above: Look on drivers face in M3 when he has to give a wave around? Priceless! Last edited by sdiver68; 01-24-2008 at 09:06 PM.. |
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You just can't help yourself. You've been totally exposed, for anyone who wasn't already aware of your behavior.
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You had me when you compared slapping coilovers on a 335 to the M calling the suspension "equal" ..if there was a sliver of credibility in what was written, it just vanished with that statement. coupled with what Epacy pointed out... Quote:
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KWv3 = 2K BBS wheels for 3k? lol try 4k Vishnu = 1500 Diff = 2k + 1k install probably Front and rear BBK installed = 4k for 60k you can have a 335 that is still slower than an m3, but now with ZERO warranty unlike a Dinan equipped one. The m3 is probably only 60 lbs heavier than the 335i. I dunno where you got 250 from. The gt3 and 335i only weigh 100 lbs apart. 335i faster than a gt3 around a track. LOL Okay, if Shummy is driving the 335i and Britney Spears is in the GT3. 46k (sports and premium pkg) for a brand new 335i coupe mom and dad buys teenage kid 12k on mods to make it almost as fast as an m3 getting it towed to the dealership because the engine blew and the dealer saying it cost 10k and warranty is void = priceless |
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I said I have no OWNERSHIP BIAS since by the time the M3 is out, I can choose to exit my lease or extend it, or buy the car outright, with no financial penalty to switch to the M3, if I so choose. Stick to the facts, and we'll ignore the ad hominem arguments. Last edited by sdiver68; 01-25-2008 at 07:50 AM.. |
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If the EDC package is so superior, I would have expected it to show up in the lap times. The facts are, it has not. Technically, EDC is superior, functionally I have not seen any proof, and in fact have seen a load of evidence that it is not any better than a set of track oriented coilovers. |
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Edit...I see Vishnu has lowered his prices from when I looked at it. Last edited by sdiver68; 01-25-2008 at 07:53 AM.. |
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True on the welded diffs, thankfully mine does not have it. With very much more track experience than you, I think I know the penalty of LSD versus not LSD. Cayman's don't have LSD but they still get around a track pretty well. LSD is most useful in auto-X, where very tight low speed corners put a premium on rear wheel traction. Regardless, if you want a LSD you can get one. I will say this to concede 1/2 a point to you, the differential is still my weakest argument. BMW knows this, which is why they went the Porsche Cayman route of actively making it hard on people to fix that issue. DCT may or may not be better than the ZF Step. I hope it is. For the track only, it almost certainly is. I say this based on some Audi DCT reports that the ZF is better than Audi DCT. No, I did not miss any labor work. I'm a far less than average mechanic and can do some work myself, I assume anyone can do what I can in the mechanics department. I do still have some connections from my racing days, perhaps the quotes I get for labor are much better than anyone else? Resale is not an issue. If you flog either car repeatedly, both will suffer. If you don't and take care of it, all of those items except the differential are easy to put back to stock and regain at least 1/3rd to 1/2 value in resale. The ED price will more than make up for anything else. About HP, I'll concede another point, the thread here: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107526 The guy has 371 hub HP at 94% settings on Procede 2.02, but he does have catless downpipes from ultimate racing. So add another $650 to the base price, but since we are now splitting hairs I want to compute the difference in sales, property, gas guzzler, and/or registration taxes. Also, add the differences in gas and insurance over some period of time and miles OH, and I overestimated the Procede now that the price has been lowered by about $300. Last edited by sdiver68; 01-25-2008 at 08:03 AM.. |
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You are simply hilarious, and sad.
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