Synchro Rev Match on MANUAL TRANS.. WHAT??

md80tom · 01-06-2009, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisV

Most revmatching on daily driving downshifts is just mechanical masturbation done by young guys who want to feel like race car drivers and feel superior about their driving skills, but not actually doing anything beneficial.

what?

2kaccordocoupe · 01-06-2009, 11:01 PM

This is almost like what a slipper clutch on a sport bike does. Except instead of rev matching a slipper prevents your rear wheel from locking up under abrubt downshifts by causing it to 'slip'.

On a bike it feels pretty cool and is a good feature. I will have to try it on the Z.

ChrisV · 01-07-2009, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtiTom

what?

What it says. There is no need to rev match in daily driving in modern cars. It's only done by boy racers who want to look like they know how to drive a manual trans car in order to feel superior to people that either just drive normally in a manual trans car or who drive a car with an automatic. They do it to flog their egos and feel like they know what they are doing.

urbo73 · 01-07-2009, 07:37 AM

I don't understand this at all really. Why get a manual transmission if you want the car to do the work for you? It sort of defeats the point of having fun driving a manual. I for one hate the M3 incline assist (or whatever BMW calls it) where it hold the brakes for 2 seconds in a 6MT so you don't roll back...I mean WTF? It threw me off the first few times. If you have driven 6MTs, there's no need for that. So again, what is the point in that or this rev-matching thing? Are they trying to attract new buyers to manual transmissions? Seems odd..Or maybe just trying to help out people that can't drive them well. I'm certain it's the latter. Safety systems for people who can't drive properly..

Buschy · 01-07-2009, 08:26 AM

Alot of jelous people out there eh.

WTF this is a great feature, think about it people, if this was a bmw and you could add it to the car you have you would like it.

WTF would you want to heel toe when the car can do it for you, its not less of a driver, it enables the driver to focus on other things period. ITs an imporvement. technology FTW.

KonigsTiger · 01-07-2009, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisV

What it says. There is no need to rev match in daily driving in modern cars. It's only done by boy racers who want to look like they know how to drive a manual trans car in order to feel superior to people that either just drive normally in a manual trans car or who drive a car with an automatic. They do it to flog their egos and feel like they know what they are doing.

Most of the time this is true, but its fun as hell to do and listen to the engine rev up. I love it.

urbo73 · 01-07-2009, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buschy

Alot of jelous people out there eh.

WTF this is a great feature, think about it people, if this was a bmw and you could add it to the car you have you would like it.

WTF would you want to heel toe when the car can do it for you, its not less of a driver, it enables the driver to focus on other things period. ITs an imporvement. technology FTW.

No I would NOT want it, just as I said I don't want that "hill assist" crap. The point of getting a manual transmission is to work it and the pedals yourself. If you don't want to, get a DCT, or an auto. I don't see the point. It's silly, sorry.

wj4 · 01-07-2009, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by urbo73

No I would NOT want it, just as I said I don't want that "hill assist" crap. The point of getting a manual transmission is to work it and the pedals yourself. If you don't want to, get a DCT, or an auto. I don't see the point. It's silly, sorry.

I agree with you. Rev matching myself is fun, and honestly it takes no thought at all. The hill assist feature also bugs me when I have to parallel park on a hill.

Can this feature me turned off so you can rev match yourself? It'd be sad if the answer is no.

Year's_End · 01-07-2009, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMW-M-Mexico

Most of the time this is true, but its fun as hell to do and listen to the engine rev up. I love it.

+1000
That's the main reason I do it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by urbo73

No I would NOT want it, just as I said I don't want that "hill assist" crap. The point of getting a manual transmission is to work it and the pedals yourself. If you don't want to, get a DCT, or an auto. I don't see the point. It's silly, sorry.

Well you're obviously one of the extreme purists, and thankfully Nissan offered a button where you can turn of this feature. Food for thought: Every performance auto magazine editor has raved about this feature, using it almost exclusively, claiming they never thought they would ever bother. I can easily see the point of it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wj4

I agree with you. Rev matching myself is fun, and honestly it takes no thought at all. The hill assist feature also bugs me when I have to parallel park on a hill.

Can this feature me turned off so you can rev match yourself? It'd be sad if the answer is no.

Yes it can be turned off.

D1911 · 01-07-2009, 04:24 PM

so will this revmatch feature blip to the appropriate rpm whether you're at 5000rpm or 1500rpm?

ren · 01-07-2009, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisV

What it says. There is no need to rev match in daily driving in modern cars. It's only done by boy racers who want to look like they know how to drive a manual trans car in order to feel superior to people that either just drive normally in a manual trans car or who drive a car with an automatic. They do it to flog their egos and feel like they know what they are doing.

You're correct that it's not needed, but the rest of the stuff you said is pure BS.

ren · 01-07-2009, 04:40 PM

Here's a demonstration:

KonigsTiger · 01-07-2009, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erensf

Here's a demonstration:

Cool vid, seems to work well. Great witnesses as well. Looks like that´s the Z´s target buyer. lol!

ren · 01-07-2009, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMW-M-Mexico

Cool vid, seems to work well. Great witnesses as well. Looks like that the Z´s target buyer. lol!

Yeah that interview part is funny

Year's_End · 01-07-2009, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erensf

Here's a demonstration:

God that's awesome.

ideliver · 01-07-2009, 07:37 PM

works pretty good on my SMG

...kinda suprised this hasn't been done before

wj4 · 01-07-2009, 08:01 PM

I wonder what happens with the case of money shift. It will be sweet if it detects that it will need to be revved too high of an RPM and will lock you out from entering that certain gear.

majin ssj eric · 01-07-2009, 10:20 PM

I think this is a fantastic feature and don't really understand why anybody would have a problem with it. It can be turned off. I would love to try it out...

urbo73 · 01-07-2009, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmer Loyalist

Well you're obviously one of the extreme purists, and thankfully Nissan offered a button where you can turn of this feature. Food for thought: Every performance auto magazine editor has raved about this feature, using it almost exclusively, claiming they never thought they would ever bother. I can easily see the point of it.

I don't think of myself as an "extreme purist" - I have driven (and raced) all sorts of cars and transmissions. I simply do not get this or see the point from a driver's point of view. I stated why. I can see Nissan putting it in for the coolness factor, to prevent people from over-revving when downshifting, to protect the tranny/engine in those cases, etc. So it's more of an insurance thing it seems for Nissan + the cool factor. Editors love new things all the time.

My point is that a person who drives a manual, is so used to rev-matching, that this would just get in the way. It would confuse me to NOT hit the gas. I would end up fighting with it. Yes I can turn it OFF, I understand. I just don't get the attraction. Like one guy in the video said though, it's maybe good for learning to drive a manual, but I don't even see that. Because one would be learning the wrong way. So it seems the opposite. So why not just get a DCT or auto? What's next? A manual transmission that also pushes the clutch pedal in and out when it sense your hand on the gear lever? See what I mean? Weird...

urbo73 · 01-07-2009, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wj4

I wonder what happens with the case of money shift. It will be sweet if it detects that it will need to be revved too high of an RPM and will lock you out from entering that certain gear.

But that defeats the point of driving a manual! It's like DSC. If you have it on at the track, and you know how to drive/correct the car, it will get in your way. Plus it will eat brakes!

majin ssj eric · 01-07-2009, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by urbo73

I don't think of myself as an "extreme purist" - I have driven (and raced) all sorts of cars and transmissions. I simply do not get this or see the point from a driver's point of view. I stated why. I can see Nissan putting it in for the coolness factor, to prevent people from over-revving when downshifting, to protect the tranny/engine in those cases, etc. So it's more of an insurance thing it seems for Nissan + the cool factor. Editors love new things all the time.

My point is that a person who drives a manual, is so used to rev-matching, that this would just get in the way. It would confuse me to NOT hit the gas. I would end up fighting with it. Yes I can turn it OFF, I understand. I just don't get the attraction. Like one guy in the video said though, it's maybe good for learning to drive a manual, but I don't even see that. Because one would be learning the wrong way. So it seems the opposite. So why not just get a DCT or auto? What's next? A manual transmission that also pushes the clutch pedal in and out when it sense your hand on the gear lever? See what I mean? Weird...

And so what if they did come up with a manual that could shift itself? So long as it can be turned off, I'd be for it. The attraction of the system is that you can always have perfectly rev-matched downshifts without having to even know how to heel-and-toe. I've been driving stick for nearly 13 years and I still can't do it very well. It'd be nice to be able to pull off perfect downshifts every time without worrying about heel-and-toe technique......

wj4 · 01-07-2009, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by urbo73

But that defeats the point of driving a manual! It's like DSC. If you have it on at the track, and you know how to drive/correct the car, it will get in your way. Plus it will eat brakes!

The issue of money shift just came into mine. Once in a great while, you hear a story of how someone wanted to go from say fifth to fourth, but accidentally went into second and over revved, ending in damaging the engine.

I just wanted to know if this synchro feature is smart and fast enough to detect that 'hey, if you're going to go in 2nd gear at this speed, you're going to over rev' and lock out the gear on you.

Thus saving you the headache and $$$ on fixing the damage.

I personally love using all 3 pedals and have no problem rev matching. My mom told me that if you can drive a manual like an auto, that's when you know you're good. She told me this when I first drove manual several years ago, lol.

01-06-2009, 11:01 PM	#24
2kaccordocoupe Brigadier General 1270 Rep 4,703 Posts Drives: Former ///M Driver Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The 6ix iTrader: (2)	This is almost like what a slipper clutch on a sport bike does. Except instead of rev matching a slipper prevents your rear wheel from locking up under abrubt downshifts by causing it to 'slip'. On a bike it feels pretty cool and is a good feature. I will have to try it on the Z.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

01-07-2009, 07:37 AM	#26
urbo73 Captain 58 Rep 754 Posts Drives: 2021 BMW M340i xDrive Join Date: May 2006 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	I don't understand this at all really. Why get a manual transmission if you want the car to do the work for you? It sort of defeats the point of having fun driving a manual. I for one hate the M3 incline assist (or whatever BMW calls it) where it hold the brakes for 2 seconds in a 6MT so you don't roll back...I mean WTF? It threw me off the first few times. If you have driven 6MTs, there's no need for that. So again, what is the point in that or this rev-matching thing? Are they trying to attract new buyers to manual transmissions? Seems odd..Or maybe just trying to help out people that can't drive them well. I'm certain it's the latter. Safety systems for people who can't drive properly..
	Appreciate 0 Quote

01-07-2009, 08:26 AM	#27
Buschy Colonel 289 Rep 2,496 Posts Drives: F80 M3 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas/Fort Worth iTrader: (7)	Alot of jelous people out there eh. WTF this is a great feature, think about it people, if this was a bmw and you could add it to the car you have you would like it. WTF would you want to heel toe when the car can do it for you, its not less of a driver, it enables the driver to focus on other things period. ITs an imporvement. technology FTW. __________________
	Appreciate 0 Quote

01-07-2009, 04:24 PM	#32
D1911 Private First Class 32 Rep 116 Posts Drives: 08 S2k Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	so will this revmatch feature blip to the appropriate rpm whether you're at 5000rpm or 1500rpm?
	Appreciate 0 Quote

01-07-2009, 04:40 PM	#34
ren Captain 62 Rep 839 Posts Drives: 2024 X7 M60i Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: U.S. iTrader: (8)	Here's a demonstration:
	Appreciate 0 Quote

01-07-2009, 07:37 PM	#38
ideliver Major 240 Rep 1,247 Posts Drives: E60 M5, E71 X6M, E46 M3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: At the gas station iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 BMW E46 M3 'vert [0.00] 2008 BMW M5 [0.00] 2011 BMW E92 [0.00] 2012 BMW X6M [0.00] 2003 E46 M3 [0.00]	works pretty good on my SMG ...kinda suprised this hasn't been done before __________________ Current: 2006 E46 M3 'vert 6-sp 2008 E60 M5, 2011 E92 328 6-sp, 2011 E70 N55, 2012 E71 X6M
	Appreciate 0 Quote

01-07-2009, 08:01 PM	#39
wj4 Major General 335 Rep 7,719 Posts Drives: E90 manual 335i Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Burbank, CA iTrader: (8)	I wonder what happens with the case of money shift. It will be sweet if it detects that it will need to be revved too high of an RPM and will lock you out from entering that certain gear.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

01-07-2009, 10:20 PM	#40
majin ssj eric Captain 83 Rep 812 Posts Drives: 2009 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 Sedan Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Simons Island, GA iTrader: (0)	I think this is a fantastic feature and don't really understand why anybody would have a problem with it. It can be turned off. I would love to try it out... __________________ 2013 Lexus GS 350 F-Sport Starfire Pearl/Flaxen w/nav 2009 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 sedan Sapphire/Tan w/nav 1997 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer
	Appreciate 0 Quote