BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > Off-Topic Discussions Board
 
BPM
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      01-28-2015, 10:59 PM   #1
Dougeefresh
Second Lieutenant
76
Rep
268
Posts

Drives: 2011 E92 JB
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Earth

iTrader: (1)

Advice on salary negotiation

Long story short, my company is relocating to another state (chicago suburb to boca raton), was asked to move with a promotion and a raise of 10%. Asked 25% expecting a counter of 15% or 20%, if lucky. Was told 10% is it and not negotiable. 10% puts me at not-too-bad, not-too-good range.
Am I done negotiating?

(Relocation is provided by the company, cost of living is probably a couple of % higher in boca)

Last edited by Dougeefresh; 01-28-2015 at 11:14 PM..
Appreciate 0
      01-28-2015, 11:03 PM   #2
Lups
...
Lups's Avatar
11820
Rep
15,400
Posts

Drives: I don't own a car.
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Lost as usual

iTrader: (0)

From which state to what? The different between Wyoming and California are a bit much not to disclose.

As a side note: COME ON GUYS, IM STUCK WITH MY LAPTOPS FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, OT CAN NOT BE THIS BORING AT THAT TIME!
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joekerr View Post
You're still a little new here, so I'll let you in on a little secret. Whenever Lups types gibberish, this is an opportunity for you to imagine it to be whatever you'd like it to be.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta0311 View Post
How would you know this? Did mommy catch you jerking off to some Big Foot porn ?
Appreciate 0
      01-28-2015, 11:35 PM   #3
BMW F22
Major General
BMW F22's Avatar
United_States
3540
Rep
9,785
Posts

Drives: ///M235i
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Bay Area

iTrader: (8)

10% promo to relocate? I don't know about that. I got 10.5% just moving up a level. A guy I know relocated and received a nice relocation package and raise. So unless you want to stay with the company or don't mind moving, why not apply elsewhere? Other companies may pay more.
Appreciate 0
      01-28-2015, 11:49 PM   #4
Dougeefresh
Second Lieutenant
76
Rep
268
Posts

Drives: 2011 E92 JB
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Earth

iTrader: (1)

Relocation package is not bad. The promo is a separate issue.
The question at hand is whether I can push for more after being told that they will not negotiate.
Appreciate 0
      01-28-2015, 11:56 PM   #5
Zimx
Banned
6
Rep
13
Posts

Drives: e92
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Franklin, MO

iTrader: (0)

No. By definition a negotiation requires two willing parties. Be careful or they may tell you to go pound sand.
Appreciate 0
      01-29-2015, 01:15 AM   #6
Nkc
NOOB
Nkc's Avatar
Canada
1601
Rep
1,356
Posts

Drives: Cars
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: @BMWclassicdivision

iTrader: (0)

I'd ask for at least 18% knowing 10% is what they are wishing to offer. But what the hell do I know.
Appreciate 0
      01-29-2015, 01:32 AM   #7
NEFARIOUS
Captain
NEFARIOUS's Avatar
United_States
431
Rep
686
Posts

Drives: 06 330xi (TRADED IN)
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Baconville, BN

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Well, depending on your wages, 10% isn't exactly that much a difference; it's just barely padding on cost of living... Like even $5,000 a month salary is a transition to $500 more to offset perhaps $200 more in living expenses, so netting $300 more (minus whatever bite Uncle Sam wants to take out of it) isn't exactly impressive. Try testing the waters with other companies.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by jtodd_fl View Post
NEFARIOUS would totally rock the dreads if he could.
::THE MACHETE::
Appreciate 0
      01-29-2015, 08:19 AM   #8
dreamingat30fps
Lieutenant Colonel
United_States
5256
Rep
1,904
Posts

Drives: Miata, Cayenne, Model 3, F350
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: South Florida & NC

iTrader: (1)

Never been to Chicago, but I find it odd that the cost of living would be more in Boca. Not to mention just one or two exists away from Boca you could get cheaper housing than in Boca.
Appreciate 0
      01-29-2015, 08:38 AM   #9
NickyC
Lieutenant General
NickyC's Avatar
17358
Rep
10,602
Posts

Drives: M4 CS. Former G82, x2 F82, F80
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Jacked out of my mind

iTrader: (23)

Honestly, I'd say take what they give you. If you can do better on your own somewhere else, by all means go for it. If not, take their offer with a smile and bells on. The job market is so horrific for decent paying jobs, you'd be nuts to move on to something else without a replacement lined up.
Appreciate 0
      01-29-2015, 08:52 AM   #10
Mirko
Major
Mirko's Avatar
Canada
182
Rep
1,031
Posts

Drives: E86 Z4M, E90 328i, E84 X1
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Toronto

iTrader: (2)

Find things in the contract that you would like changed. ex. days vacation, days paid out if let go. Those are more valuable than a few extra $K per year. They don't cost the company anything in the short term, which is how all companies think anyways.
__________________
08 M Coupe • Ceramic Black Fabspeed Headers • MCS 1WNR • Poly FCAB • Stoptech BBK • Vibra-Tech • Epic Tune • Apex EC7 • RPI Scoop • Eventuri • Stromung • Rogue X Pipe • Varis Diffuser • CF E92 GTS Wing • CF Roof
Appreciate 0
      01-29-2015, 11:18 AM   #11
Bobble
Major
Bobble's Avatar
No_Country
56
Rep
1,232
Posts

Drives: Whatever POS the wife leaves
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (1)

Personally we went thru a restructing at work 18 months ago and I had to present that to my employees. It was similar want your job with the new company this is what is offered (now it was not attractive and was basically a cut because we lost a sick day and one floating holiday and if on MBO's it was a 5% cut on those). Had quite a few counter the offer and HR told me to tell them they are no longer needed here's your package. With that said if they told you that was it and you counter they might do the same and I have some old employees a year later still out of work because we were all over paid and the stigma of being riffed(or so they claim). Be careful on countering is my sentiment.
Appreciate 0
      01-29-2015, 11:22 AM   #12
954Stealth
Brigadier General
954Stealth's Avatar
United_States
1543
Rep
4,512
Posts

Drives: A Car
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Bacon Raton, FL

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps View Post
Never been to Chicago, but I find it odd that the cost of living would be more in Boca. Not to mention just one or two exists away from Boca you could get cheaper housing than in Boca.
Delray Beach is nice and much cheaper than Boca proper
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billup View Post
You know you're getting bacon, when you're cooking bacon.
Appreciate 0
      01-29-2015, 11:29 AM   #13
NickyC
Lieutenant General
NickyC's Avatar
17358
Rep
10,602
Posts

Drives: M4 CS. Former G82, x2 F82, F80
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Jacked out of my mind

iTrader: (23)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobble View Post
Personally we went thru a restructing at work 18 months ago and I had to present that to my employees. It was similar want your job with the new company this is what is offered (now it was not attractive and was basically a cut because we lost a sick day and one floating holiday and if on MBO's it was a 5% cut on those). Had quite a few counter the offer and HR told me to tell them they are no longer needed here's your package. With that said if they told you that was it and you counter they might do the same and I have some old employees a year later still out of work because we were all over paid and the stigma of being riffed(or so they claim). Be careful on countering is my sentiment.
Listen to this man, as it's the truth. As sad, pathetic, and infuriating as it is, it's the truth in this new nightmare normal for the American worker. Employers have all the leverage. if you complain, there's 1000 others out there who have been out of work for years who will leap into your spot at probably less than what they're offering you. We are in a horrible job market right now.
Appreciate 0
      01-29-2015, 11:33 AM   #14
kyleb350
Brigadier General
kyleb350's Avatar
United_States
422
Rep
4,709
Posts

Drives: '21 X3MC
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Milwaukee

iTrader: (6)

If it's non-negotiable, it's non-negotiable. What you could do, though, is look up the cost of living differences between here and there. If it's 10% higher down there, present that to your manager stating that there's no raise comparatively speaking.
Appreciate 0
      01-29-2015, 12:43 PM   #15
ASAP
Major General
ASAP's Avatar
10057
Rep
8,567
Posts

Drives: '23 X3 M40i
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: FL

iTrader: (0)

1, I find it hard to believe that Boca and the surrounding areas are more expensive than Chicago. 2, Florida has no state income tax... zingggg
Appreciate 1
      01-29-2015, 12:55 PM   #16
Dougeefresh
Second Lieutenant
76
Rep
268
Posts

Drives: 2011 E92 JB
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Earth

iTrader: (1)

Suburbs of Chicago vary widely in living cost. I am aware of no income tax but others expenses are more costly like insurances and food cost.
Appreciate 0
      01-29-2015, 01:07 PM   #17
ASAP
Major General
ASAP's Avatar
10057
Rep
8,567
Posts

Drives: '23 X3 M40i
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: FL

iTrader: (0)

Thats not what the cost of living calculators say. As someone who grew up in Florida, I can nearly assure across the board that it is one of the cheapest places to live.
__________________
2 x N54 -> 1 x N55 -> 1 x S55-> 1 x B58
Appreciate 0
      01-29-2015, 02:02 PM   #18
DSB335d
Captain
1321
Rep
700
Posts

Drives: '11 335d DSB/oyster&black/navi
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: West palm beach

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dougeefresh
Suburbs of Chicago vary widely in living cost. I am aware of no income tax but others expenses are more costly like insurances and food cost.
Auto insurance is probably double what you pay up there. Home insurance is more also.
Appreciate 0
      01-29-2015, 04:47 PM   #19
FC4
Brigadier General
2644
Rep
3,393
Posts

Drives: Yes
Join Date: May 2014
Location: US

iTrader: (0)

Personally wouldn't relocate out of where I am in the Bay Area no matter what, but hey...that's just me.

Tell them to kick rocks. Find a new company. Biggest jumps in pay during your career are when you switch companies, not from raises. Find another job locally that will pay you 25% more.
Appreciate 0
      01-29-2015, 04:55 PM   #20
FC4
Brigadier General
2644
Rep
3,393
Posts

Drives: Yes
Join Date: May 2014
Location: US

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyC View Post
We are in a horrible job market right now.
Maybe where you live.

The job market right now puts all the power in the employees hands. I can't hire 3-5 year engineers fast enough at $160K. It's so bad that we even have $10K finder's feess for about 15 different engineering/management positions.
Appreciate 0
      01-29-2015, 05:28 PM   #21
NickyC
Lieutenant General
NickyC's Avatar
17358
Rep
10,602
Posts

Drives: M4 CS. Former G82, x2 F82, F80
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Jacked out of my mind

iTrader: (23)

Quote:
Originally Posted by FC4 View Post
Maybe where you live.

The job market right now puts all the power in the employees hands. I can't hire 3-5 year engineers fast enough at $160K. It's so bad that we even have $10K finder's feess for about 15 different engineering/management positions.
97 million Americans out of the labor force and a record low participation rate tells me it's bad, very, very bad. Obviously it won't be the same story everywhere and for all jobs across the spectrum. As a whole, the jobs situation in this country is damaged beyond repair from 2007-2008 and is not coming back.
Appreciate 0
      01-29-2015, 07:24 PM   #22
gatorfast
Major General
gatorfast's Avatar
United_States
4969
Rep
6,854
Posts

Drives: 718 Cayman
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: SoFla

iTrader: (4)

You know your company/boss better than anyone on here. Do you think there is more room? Also depends on what you do and how replaceable you are. South Florida is a big job market so chances are they can find someone to do what you do.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:37 AM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST