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07-07-2011, 10:16 AM | #111 | |
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1. Not that fast: It really isn't. especially because of the low torque. Sure the engine has a great top end but how many times are you hitting over 100mph. The M3 has good performance for its price, but then again the Lancer Evo has good performance for its price too, and its substantially cheaper than an M3. Does that make it better? You're argument fails simply because an example of a cheaper/faster car can always be found. 2. Drivers car argument: I'm not denying that the M3 isn't a drivers car, but lets be honest. The M3 isn't as much of a drivers car as a Porsche in the same way that a Porsche isn't in the same league as a Ferrari. I have a subaru wrx that I love dearly and its a blast to drive. Compared to a civic I would consider it more of a drivers car, but compared to an M3 I definitely wouldn't. And saying its one of "best drivers cars out there" is simply a joke. Saying its a good drivers car is acceptable, but it isn't even close to one of the best out there because it wasn't made to be. 3. Elite Performance Car: Once again you're not focusing on the issue at hand which is 911s vs M3, but thats alright if its brands of cars you want to compare then that's great. Its funny you mention mass produced cars because BMW is probably the worst culprit of mass producing cars. BMWs used to be the "ultimate driving machine" yet I see tons of low end 328i's and 128i's being driven my old women who clearly buy a BMW just to say its a BMW. Even the M3 is a car thats watered down for people like you who want a little performance mixed with luxury and theres nothing wrong with that. But don't try and convince me the M3 was designed to be a true performance car because it simply was not. BMWs are being tailored to the everyday person vs the true car enthusiast and the have been for a while. With the exception of the M3 and maybe the 1M BMW lacks and semblance of a car that is made for the driving experience. Porsche makes tons of them whether it be the GT3s, GT2s, cayman s, boxter spyders, 911s etc. Porsche balances cars for the everyday person with real performance cars that can stand up to supercars at fractions of the price. 4. Commute: This is a situation in which the M3 happens to fit your life perfectly and that's great for you. But for those of use who aren't only driving on the highway it begins to get annoying when I have to fill up every 200-250 miles. Its also the size of a standard 3 series which to be honest isn't that much room when you start lugging around bags, kids, animals, friends etc. It's a nice sized car for sure, but I know from my life that there are always a few times a year when I need to move something big, and the M3 just doesn't cut it for me. I'm tired of defending this post and I really could care less about what you guys think of your M3s. I had one for a while and it was a great car, but for me it didn't fit my lifestyle. While the M3 does many things, personally, I'd rather have one car purely for driving and one for commuting, lugging, etc. When it comes down to it there's always a better car and I think the people on this forum need to understand that and stop defending their M3s to the nth degree. An M3 is no 911s. It never was and it will never be. |
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I am not going to respond to all of your nonsense below, you just proved that you didn't read what I said. Also making obnoxious statements like "the M3 is a car that's watered down for people like you"... GFY. You don't know me and have (clearly) and clue as to what is important. If you can find me a lightweight high performance sedan that can outperform the M3, name it. I'll go out and buy it tomorrow. But one more time - they are both great cars. Try and appreciate that and respect the capabilities of other cars.
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My brother was looking at Porsche's and we took a 911C4s out for about an hour. I came back with the same impression viz. this car doesn't wow me and I like my engine better. I also test drove a 2010 GT3 but had the salesman with me and never really got to drive it aggressively. Now I did ride with an instructor at a track event in a GT3 and this guy could drive and it had Hoosiers and it was insane! My instructor said I was driving within 5 mph of his speeds but that is just not true. He was crazy fast in the corners and hit 165mph going into turn 1 at Pacific Raceways. My conclusion: If I get a Porsche it will be a late model GT3 or GT3RS.
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To try to find a fun car to complement my C63, I've been test driving lots of cars lately, including the M3, 335is, Boxster S, Boxster RS60, Boxster Spyder, 911, 911S, 911 Turbo, Cayman, Panamera S, and Panamera Turbo.
My conclusion is that, when driven spirited but not at the limit (which you can't really do on public roads anyway), I enjoy my C63 more than any of the others, so I'm having a surprisingly hard time finding an additional car which adds enough value to justify buying it. That's not to say these other cars aren't good -- they all are, and some are great. But my point is that when you get to this level of cars, and are seeking enjoyment rather than just transport, it really becomes subjective. We can compare track times, hp, torque, etc., but none of that matters as much as how much you enjoy a car when driven the way you will actually drive it (not the way you dream of driving it, or the way a pro racer with more skill drives it). |
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07-08-2011, 01:54 PM | #118 | |
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Out of curiosity, how did you like the 335is / how did it compare to other cars you drove?
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It didn't fit for me when I owned my 997S, love my M3. However, I would love to own another Porsche again one day. Dave
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I wonder if there is any improvement on Ferrari's side in terms of reliability and maintanance.. is the F458 better than F430 in this regard?
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So they catch fire on schedule?
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I did actually get to drive the Boxster S again today, this time pushing it harder, and I really loved it (even more than the Boxster Spyder and Boxster RS60). The handling is in a different league from my beloved C63 (which is no slouch either). My wife prefers a gorgeous 911S cabriolet we saw in the showroom, but I think the Boxster is more fun to drive, not to mention more than $40K cheaper. To me, the only good reason to get the 911 would be that we could squeeze our daughter in the so-called "back seat" for local driving. The 911 obviously handles well too, but I still find the feel of the car a bit weird because of the rear engine layout; maybe it's something I'd get more used to with time. |
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I own both cars. A 2009 997s pdk and a 2011 m3 dct. The engine and transmission in the m3 are better IMO than the Porsche. It's too bad the motor is burdened by so much weight in the m3 because it is really a gem one of a kind engine and I will sorely miss it once someone takes over my lease.
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That said, I have yet to drive any car that provides the performance/practicality balance of an M3. Even as a play toy, which my M3 is for me, there is benefit to some degree of practicality so you can actually use it to do things that entail fun driving. A trip to the grocery store can be fun. Dropping my kids off at activities, then having a "spirited" drive back home on my own can be fun. At the same time, my wife and I can take nice weekend getaways to our vacation home in relative comfort for the 140 mile drive. I can carry a beach chair in the back for those mornings when I want to go for a fun drive near the ocean then sit out and have some coffee while I watch the waves and chill out. If you buy a car with virtually no practicality, then you will also be very limited in how much you can actually drive it and enjoy it. That's fine if you want a garage queen, but not if you really want to enjoy driving your car.
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This is exactly how I personally enjoy my car. Congrats on living life to the fullest, even when just running to the package store!
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